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<DIV><FONT face=verdana size=2><B><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000000 size=1>Jeremy
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com
[mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Suzanne Sherman
Aboulfadl<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 07, 2009 2:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Brent
Campbell<BR><B>Cc:</B> Sally Brown; missoulagov@cmslists.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [MissoulaGov] Parking Kiosks<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="comic sans ms,sans-serif">Is there a website link to
the parking management documents? Great holiday reading that I hadn't considered
before. Also, where could I find info on the bike lanes on North Higgins?
I got in on the middle of that discussion and don't know what the original
proposals are -- I've only read the responses. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Suzanne</FONT><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Brent Campbell <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:BCampbell@wgmgroup.com">BCampbell@wgmgroup.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Sally,<BR><BR>There
are numerous good books on the importance on parking management as<BR>it
relates to good land planning. "The High Cost of Free Parking"
would<BR>be a good place to start. There were also several documents
prepared on<BR>recommended parking management strategies prepared for the
Downtown<BR>masterplan. We need people engaged and informed on the
issues. Parking<BR>seems to illicit passions second only to depriving
someone of oxygen.<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR>Brent Campbell, P.E.<BR>President / CEO<BR>WGM Group,
Inc.<BR><A href="http://www.wgmgroup.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.wgmgroup.com</A><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=im>From: Sally Brown [mailto:<A
href="mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com">sallybrown6@gmail.com</A>]<BR>Sent:
Monday, December 07, 2009 1:38 PM<BR>To: Jordan Hess<BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=h5>Cc: Brent Campbell; <A
href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [MissoulaGov] Parking Kiosks<BR><BR>What! No free parking with the
free lunch?<BR><BR>This makes sense. Why, then, is it only the downtown
area that has<BR>parking meters. How does the city get it's money out of
the free large<BR>parking lots surrounding the urban core?<BR><BR><BR>Jordan
Hess wrote:<BR>> Sally:<BR>><BR>> There is no such thing as free
parking. Ever. Even the parking at<BR>> Wal-Mart is highly subsidized in
the form of infrastructure<BR>> improvements the the city has to foot the
bill for (such as the idea<BR>> of adding a second left turn lane from
Reserve to Mullan).<BR>><BR>> If parking in the urban core is free, than
it will be taken up by<BR>> people parking for a long period of time, such
as employees or area<BR>> residents and it won't be available for customers
of downtown<BR>> businesses or for folks stoping by government offices.
There are many<BR>> ways to properly price downtown parking to make it
hassle-free and<BR>> affordable. If parking were free, I believe it would
actually be a<BR>> strain on downtown businesses because less would be
available to their<BR><BR>> customers. It would certainly be a strain on
city budgets.<BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Jordan
Hess<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at
12:19 PM, Sally Brown <<A
href="mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com">sallybrown6@gmail.com</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com">sallybrown6@gmail.com</A>>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> I don't like, do not want, will not agree
in any manner to parking<BR>> kiosks. They are
difficult to use for anyone other than those<BR>> with extra
time, correct change, nothing in their hands, no small<BR>>
children in tow, or other encumbrances.<BR>> I am hoping that
we are moving in the direction of free downtown<BR>>
parking.<BR>><BR>> Parking kiosks are a sign that you may
have lost your senses.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Sally
Brown<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Brent
Campbell wrote:<BR>><BR>> Reports from
Portland indicate a 25 % increase in revenue<BR>>
from the<BR>> electronic kiosks. This
should be confirmed by our parking<BR>>
consultants<BR>> and if true, this could be
important bonding revenue for the<BR>new<BR>>
structures identified in the downtown masterplan.<BR>><BR>>
Brent Campbell, P.E.<BR>>
President / CEO<BR>> WGM Group, Inc.<BR>>
<A href="http://www.wgmgroup.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.wgmgroup.com</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Message: 1<BR>>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:13:34 -0700<BR>> From:
"Rod Austin" <<A
href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<BR>>
To: "'Derek Goldman'" <<A
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<mailto:<A
href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com">derekmgold@hotmail.com</A>>>,<BR>>
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Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your
parking<BR>> fee? Rod<BR>><BR>><BR>>
From: <A
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<mailto:<A
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On Behalf Of Derek<BR>> Goldman<BR>>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM<BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>>;
<A href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A><BR>>
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>><BR>> i wish we had a
"like" button...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
_____<BR>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42
-0700<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>><BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A>><BR>>
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<mailto:<A
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>> I predict: in as little as
five years we will be looking back<BR>>
wishing<BR>> our parking meters doubled as
plug-ins for our fleet of<BR>electric<BR>>
vehicles.<BR>><BR>> Ed
Childers<BR>><BR>><BR>> Stacy Rye
wrote:<BR>> Rod,<BR>><BR>><BR>>
It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's
that<BR>> kiosks are<BR>><BR>><BR>>
inconvenient, and they could be difficult for
tourists and<BR>> perhaps
a<BR>><BR>><BR>> question of if it's not
broke . . .<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
I think the council needs to hear about this if new
parking<BR>>
meters/kiosks<BR>><BR>><BR>> are
proposed.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Stacy<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
There are many issues to think through on what
actually gets<BR>> put on
the<BR>><BR>><BR>> street. There are
other more modern ways than the multi space<BR>>
meters and<BR>><BR>><BR>>
we<BR>><BR>><BR>> will be exploring all
of them. I think the feeling is that<BR>> with
the new<BR>><BR>><BR>> streetscape it
would be nice to clean it up even more. And<BR>>
frankly I<BR>>
don't<BR>><BR>><BR>> think it would be
that difficult to change habits. At my age I<BR>>
sometimes<BR>><BR>><BR>> take
change hard but do try to stay open to
it.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a<BR>>
little<BR>><BR>><BR>>
surprised) and
noted.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Rod<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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7 Dec 2009 08:30:12 -0700<BR>> From: "Jim
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<BR>>
To: "Rod Austin" <<A
href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</A>>>,
"Derek Goldman"<BR>>
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<<A
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Solar!<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: <A
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<mailto:<A
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On Behalf Of Rod<BR>Austin<BR>> Sent: Monday,
December 07, 2009 8:14 AM<BR>> To: 'Derek
Goldman'; <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>>;
<A href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A><BR>>
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>><BR>> Who pays the power
bill? Or would that come with your parking<BR>>
fee? Rod<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</A>><BR>>
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On Behalf Of Derek<BR>> Goldman<BR>>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM<BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>>;
<A href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
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Cc: <A
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href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>><BR>> i wish we had a
"like" button...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
________________________________<BR>><BR>>
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700<BR>> From:
<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>><BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A>><BR>>
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<mailto:<A
href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>> I predict: in as little as
five years we will be looking back<BR>>
wishing<BR>> our parking meters doubled as
plug-ins for our fleet of<BR>electric<BR>>
vehicles.<BR>><BR>> Ed
Childers<BR>><BR>><BR>> Stacy Rye
wrote:<BR>>
Rod,<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> It's
not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that<BR>>
kiosks are<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists
and<BR>> perhaps
a<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> question
of if it's not broke . .
.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
I think the council needs to hear about this if
new parking<BR>>
meters/kiosks<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
are
proposed.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Stacy<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
There are many issues
to think through on what actually<BR>> gets
put<BR>> on
the<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
street. There are other more modern ways than the
multi<BR>> space<BR>>
meters and<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
we<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
will be exploring all
of them. I think the feeling is<BR>> that
with<BR>> the
new<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even
more.<BR>And<BR>> frankly I
don't<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
think it would be that difficult to change habits.
At<BR>> my age I<BR>>
sometimes<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
take change hard but do try to stay open to
it.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
I do have to say that
everyone's input is interesting<BR>> (I am
a<BR>>
little<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
surprised) and
noted.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Rod<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:41:05 -0700<BR>> From:
"Rod Austin" <<A
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<BR>>
To: "'Jim McGrath'" <<A
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<mailto:<A
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"'Derek<BR>> Goldman'"<BR>>
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<mailto:<A
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<mailto:<A
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<<A
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I'm there!<BR>><BR>><BR>>
From: Jim McGrath [mailto:<A
href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org">jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org</A><BR>>
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Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:30 AM<BR>>
To: Rod Austin; Derek Goldman; <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
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Subject: RE: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Solar!<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: <A
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On Behalf Of Rod<BR>Austin<BR>> Sent: Monday,
December 07, 2009 8:14 AM<BR>> To: 'Derek
Goldman'; <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>>;
<A href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A><BR>>
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>><BR>> Who pays the power
bill? Or would that come with your parking<BR>>
fee? Rod<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</A><BR>>
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On Behalf Of Derek<BR>> Goldman<BR>>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM<BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>><BR>> i wish we had a
"like" button...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
_____<BR>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42
-0700<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>><BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</A>><BR>>
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking
meters<BR>><BR>> I predict: in as little as
five years we will be looking back<BR>>
wishing<BR>> our parking meters doubled as
plug-ins for our fleet of<BR>electric<BR>>
vehicles.<BR>><BR>> Ed
Childers<BR>><BR>><BR>> Stacy Rye
wrote:<BR>>
Rod,<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
It's not the changing of habits that's the
issue, it's that<BR>> kiosks
are<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
inconvenient, and they could be difficult
for tourists and<BR>> perhaps
a<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
question of if it's not broke . .
.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
I think the council needs to hear about this
if new parking<BR>>
meters/kiosks<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
are
proposed.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Stacy<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
There are many issues to think through on what
actually gets<BR>> put on
the<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
street. There are other more modern ways
than the multi space<BR>> meters
and<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
we<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
will be exploring all of them. I think the
feeling is that<BR>> with the
new<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
streetscape it would be nice to clean it up
even more. And<BR>> frankly I<BR>>
don't<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
think it would be that difficult to change
habits. At my age<BR>> I
sometimes<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
take change hard but do try to stay open to
it.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
I do have to say that everyone's input is
interesting (I am a<BR>>
little<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
surprised) and
noted.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:05:40 -0700<BR>>
From: Michael Loftis <<A
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Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 12-2-09
(parking<BR>> meters)<BR>>
To: <A
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format=flowed<BR>><BR>> (reply is
inline)<BR>><BR>> --On Friday, December 04,
2009 12:22 PM -0700 Rod Austin<BR>> <<A
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<mailto:<A
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wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
We are currently looking a a different metering system
on<BR>> N Higgins.<BR>>
Electronic gang meters are on our radar and
this may be a<BR>> great
place<BR>><BR>><BR>>
to<BR>><BR>><BR>> try
them.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> One of my
concerns is that a *lot* of the LCD display based<BR>>
multi-space (and single space meters) may not function well<BR>>
during winter around<BR>>
here. I personally would prefer to pay via credit card, or<BR>>
even cell txt or<BR>>
call from the comfort of the vehicle, than change, or cash.<BR>>
As someone mentioned further along in this
thread waiting on<BR>> someone else in this
weather is painful at the least. Also,<BR>>
as many have noted bill changers<BR>><BR>>
can also have a hard time when the temperatures are this
low.<BR>><BR>> I'm sure our folks at the
parking commission are considering<BR>> all
of<BR>> this, after all, they ultimately have
to service and maintain<BR>> all of this
kit!<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Message: 5<BR>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:12:15
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