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Sally, please don't drop out just because one person took your comments
the wrong way.<br>
It's the nature of e-mail that the hearer don't always hear what the
sayer sayed.<br>
That's what smileys are for. :)<br>
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Ed Childers<br>
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Council</a>, Ward 6<br>
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Sally Brown wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4B1D6A17.50902@gmail.com" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Brent, no offense intended. The "you" in the statement was a universal
"you", not a specific one directed at "you" personally.
I very much care about how the downtown develops, I rarely if ever
respond to this list, and I didn't see anyone from the peanut gallery
offering opinions, so I spoke out loud and clear.
My apology if anyone was offended. I'll drop out.
Sally
Brent Campbell wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Sally, you are entitled to your strong opinion over such an issue and so
am I. Such harsh words and personal attacks are uncalled for. Lets
keep it civil.
Brent Campbell, P.E.
President / CEO
WGM Group, Inc.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.wgmgroup.com">http://www.wgmgroup.com</a>
-----Original Message-----
From: Sally Brown [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com">mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com</a>]
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Brent Campbell
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Parking Kiosks
I don't like, do not want, will not agree in any manner to parking
kiosks. They are difficult to use for anyone other than those with
extra time, correct change, nothing in their hands, no small children in
tow, or other encumbrances.
I am hoping that we are moving in the direction of free downtown
parking.
Parking kiosks are a sign that you may have lost your senses.
Sally Brown
Brent Campbell wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Reports from Portland indicate a 25 % increase in revenue from the
electronic kiosks. This should be confirmed by our parking consultants
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and if true, this could be important bonding revenue for the new
structures identified in the downtown masterplan.
Brent Campbell, P.E.
President / CEO
WGM Group, Inc.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.wgmgroup.com">http://www.wgmgroup.com</a>
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4. Re: Committee Update 12-2-09 (parking meters) (Michael Loftis)
5. Re: parking meters (Ed Childers)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:13:34 -0700
From: "Rod Austin" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org"><raustin@missouladowntownbid.org></a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
To: "'Derek Goldman'" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com"><derekmgold@hotmail.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us"><echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:srye@montana.com"><srye@montana.com></a>
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Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking fee? Rod
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>] On Behalf Of Derek Goldman
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
i wish we had a "like" button...
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back wishing
our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of electric
vehicles.
Ed Childers
Stacy Rye wrote:
Rod,
It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that kiosks are
inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and perhaps a
question of if it's not broke . . .
I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking
meters/kiosks
are proposed.
Stacy
There are many issues to think through on what actually gets put on
the
street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space meters
and
we
will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that with the
new
streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And frankly I
don't
think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age I
sometimes
take change hard but do try to stay open to it.
I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a little
surprised) and noted.
Rod
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:30:12 -0700
From: "Jim McGrath" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org"><jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org></a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
To: "Rod Austin" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org"><raustin@missouladowntownbid.org></a>, "Derek Goldman"
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Solar!
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>] On Behalf Of Rod Austin
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:14 AM
To: 'Derek Goldman'; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking fee? Rod
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>] On Behalf Of Derek Goldman
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
i wish we had a "like" button...
________________________________
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back wishing
our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of electric
vehicles.
Ed Childers
Stacy Rye wrote:
Rod,
It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that kiosks are
inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and perhaps a
question of if it's not broke . . .
I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking
meters/kiosks
are proposed.
Stacy
There are many issues to think through on what actually gets put
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">on
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the
street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">meters
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and
we
will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that with
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">new
streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">frankly I
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">don't
think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age I
sometimes
take change hard but do try to stay open to it.
I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">little
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
surprised) and noted.
Rod
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:41:05 -0700
From: "Rod Austin" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org"><raustin@missouladowntownbid.org></a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
To: "'Jim McGrath'" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org"><jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org></a>, "'Derek
Goldman'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com"><derekmgold@hotmail.com></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us"><echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us></a>,
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Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
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I'm there!
From: Jim McGrath [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailt<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:I'mthere!From:JimMcGrath[mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org]Sent:Monday,December07,20098:30AMTo:RodAustin;DerekGoldman;echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us;srye@montana.comCc:missoulagov@cmslists.comSubject:RE:[MissoulaGov]parkingmetersSolar!From:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com[mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com]OnBehalfOfRodAustinSent:Monday,December07,20098:14AMTo:'DerekGoldman';echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us;srye@montana.comCc:missoulagov@cmslists.comSubject:Re:[MissoulaGov]parkingmetersWhopaysthepowerbill?Orwouldthatcomewithyourparkingfee?RodFrom:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com[mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com]OnBehalfOfDerekGoldmanSent:Saturday,December05,20092:22PMTo:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us;srye@montana.comCc:missoulagov@cmslists.comSubject:Re:[MissoulaGov]parkingmetersiwishwehada">"
I'm there!
From: Jim McGrath [mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org]
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:30 AM
To: Rod Austin; Derek Goldman; echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us;
srye@montana.com
Cc: missoulagov@cmslists.com
Subject: RE: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
Solar!
From: missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com
[mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Rod Austin
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:14 AM
To: 'Derek Goldman'; echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us; srye@montana.com
Cc: missoulagov@cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking fee? Rod
From: missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com
[mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Derek Goldman
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM
To: echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us; srye@montana.com
Cc: missoulagov@cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
i wish we had a "</a>like" button...
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back wishing
our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of electric
vehicles.
Ed Childers
Stacy Rye wrote:
Rod,
It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that kiosks are
inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and perhaps a
question of if it's not broke . . .
I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking
meters/kiosks
are proposed.
Stacy
There are many issues to think through on what actually gets put on
the
street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space meters
and
we
will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that with the
new
streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And frankly I
don't
think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age I
sometimes
take change hard but do try to stay open to it.
I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a little
surprised) and noted.
Rod
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:05:40 -0700
From: Michael Loftis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mloftis@wgops.com"><mloftis@wgops.com></a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 12-2-09 (parking meters)
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--On Friday, December 04, 2009 12:22 PM -0700 Rod Austin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org"><raustin@missouladowntownbid.org></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">We are currently looking a a different metering system on N Higgins.
Electronic gang meters are on our radar and this may be a great place
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">try them.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">One of my concerns is that a *lot* of the LCD display based
multi-space (and single space meters) may not function well during
winter around here.
I personally would prefer to pay via credit card, or even cell txt or
call from the comfort of the vehicle, than change, or cash. As
someone mentioned further along in this thread waiting on someone else
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">in this weather is painful at the least. Also, as many have noted
bill changers
can also have a hard time when the temperatures are this low.
I'm sure our folks at the parking commission are considering all of
this, after all, they ultimately have to service and maintain all of
this kit!
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:12:15 -0700
From: Ed Childers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us"><echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us></a>
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
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