<div><font face="comic sans ms,sans-serif">Is there a website link to the parking management documents? Great holiday reading that I hadn't considered before. Also, where could I find info on the bike lanes on North Higgins? I got in on the middle of that discussion and don't know what the original proposals are -- I've only read the responses. </font></div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS">Suzanne</font><br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Brent Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:BCampbell@wgmgroup.com">BCampbell@wgmgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Sally,<br><br>There are numerous good books on the importance on parking management as<br>it relates to good land planning. "The High Cost of Free Parking" would<br>
be a good place to start. There were also several documents prepared on<br>recommended parking management strategies prepared for the Downtown<br>masterplan. We need people engaged and informed on the issues. Parking<br>
seems to illicit passions second only to depriving someone of oxygen.<br>
<div class="im"><br>Brent Campbell, P.E.<br>President / CEO<br>WGM Group, Inc.<br><a href="http://www.wgmgroup.com/" target="_blank">http://www.wgmgroup.com</a><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br></div>
<div class="im">From: Sally Brown [mailto:<a href="mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com">sallybrown6@gmail.com</a>]<br>Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:38 PM<br>To: Jordan Hess<br></div>
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<div class="h5">Cc: Brent Campbell; <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Parking Kiosks<br><br>What! No free parking with the free lunch?<br><br>This makes sense. Why, then, is it only the downtown area that has<br>
parking meters. How does the city get it's money out of the free large<br>parking lots surrounding the urban core?<br><br><br>Jordan Hess wrote:<br>> Sally:<br>><br>> There is no such thing as free parking. Ever. Even the parking at<br>
> Wal-Mart is highly subsidized in the form of infrastructure<br>> improvements the the city has to foot the bill for (such as the idea<br>> of adding a second left turn lane from Reserve to Mullan).<br>><br>> If parking in the urban core is free, than it will be taken up by<br>
> people parking for a long period of time, such as employees or area<br>> residents and it won't be available for customers of downtown<br>> businesses or for folks stoping by government offices. There are many<br>
> ways to properly price downtown parking to make it hassle-free and<br>> affordable. If parking were free, I believe it would actually be a<br>> strain on downtown businesses because less would be available to their<br>
<br>> customers. It would certainly be a strain on city budgets.<br>><br>> Thanks,<br>> Jordan Hess<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Sally Brown <<a href="mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com">sallybrown6@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sallybrown6@gmail.com">sallybrown6@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> I don't like, do not want, will not agree in any manner to parking<br>> kiosks. They are difficult to use for anyone other than those<br>
> with extra time, correct change, nothing in their hands, no small<br>> children in tow, or other encumbrances.<br>> I am hoping that we are moving in the direction of free downtown<br>> parking.<br>
><br>> Parking kiosks are a sign that you may have lost your senses.<br>><br>><br>> Sally Brown<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Brent Campbell wrote:<br>><br>> Reports from Portland indicate a 25 % increase in revenue<br>
> from the<br>> electronic kiosks. This should be confirmed by our parking<br>> consultants<br>> and if true, this could be important bonding revenue for the<br>new<br>> structures identified in the downtown masterplan.<br>
><br>> Brent Campbell, P.E.<br>> President / CEO<br>> WGM Group, Inc.<br>> <a href="http://www.wgmgroup.com/" target="_blank">http://www.wgmgroup.com</a><br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> Loftis)<br>> 5. Re: parking meters (Ed Childers)<br>><br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:13:34 -0700<br>
> From: "Rod Austin" <<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>> To: "'Derek Goldman'" <<a href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com">derekmgold@hotmail.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com">derekmgold@hotmail.com</a>>>,<br>
> <<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>>, <<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>>><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> Message-ID: <002701ca774f$d9c1d100$8d457300$@org><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking<br>
> fee? Rod<br>><br>><br>> From: <a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>>] On Behalf Of Derek<br>
> Goldman<br>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>; <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>><br>><br>> i wish we had a "like" button...<br>><br>><br>><br>> _____<br>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>
><br>> I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back<br>> wishing<br>> our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of<br>electric<br>> vehicles.<br>><br>
> Ed Childers<br>><br>><br>> Stacy Rye wrote:<br>> Rod,<br>><br>><br>> It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that<br>> kiosks are<br>
><br>><br>> inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and<br>> perhaps a<br>><br>><br>> question of if it's not broke . . .<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>> I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking<br>> meters/kiosks<br>><br>><br>> are proposed.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Stacy<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> There are many issues to think through on what actually gets<br>> put on the<br>><br>><br>> street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space<br>
> meters and<br>><br>><br>> we<br>><br>><br>> will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that<br>> with the new<br>><br>><br>> streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And<br>
> frankly I<br>> don't<br>><br>><br>> think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age I<br>> sometimes<br>><br>><br>> take change hard but do try to stay open to it.<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a<br>> little<br>><br>><br>> surprised) and noted.<br>><br>><br>><br>
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><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:30:12 -0700<br>> From: "Jim McGrath" <<a href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org">jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org">jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>> To: "Rod Austin" <<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a>>>, "Derek Goldman"<br>> <<a href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com">derekmgold@hotmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com">derekmgold@hotmail.com</a>>>, <<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>>,<br>
> <<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>>><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> Message-ID:<br>> <92B4830B2B5E6E43B04109A6DFB96F96F8297E@mha1.MHA.local><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> Solar!<br>><br>><br>
> From: <a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>>] On Behalf Of Rod<br>
Austin<br>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:14 AM<br>> To: 'Derek Goldman'; <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>; <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>><br>><br>> Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking<br>> fee? Rod<br>><br>><br>> From: <a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>>] On Behalf Of Derek<br>> Goldman<br>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>; <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>
><br>><br>> i wish we had a "like" button...<br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>><br>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700<br>> From: <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>
><br>> I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back<br>> wishing<br>> our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of<br>electric<br>> vehicles.<br>><br>
> Ed Childers<br>><br>><br>> Stacy Rye wrote:<br>> Rod,<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that<br>> kiosks are<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>> inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and<br>> perhaps a<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> question of if it's not broke . . .<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking<br>> meters/kiosks<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> are proposed.<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Stacy<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> There are many issues to think through on what actually<br>
> gets put<br>> on the<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> street. There are other more modern ways than the multi<br>> space<br>> meters and<br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>> we<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is<br>> that with<br>> the new<br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>> streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more.<br>And<br>> frankly I don't<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> think it would be that difficult to change habits. At<br>
> my age I<br>> sometimes<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> take change hard but do try to stay open to it.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
> I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting<br>> (I am a<br>> little<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> surprised) and noted.<br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Rod<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
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> 86e1/attachment-0001.htm><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:41:05 -0700<br>> From: "Rod Austin" <<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>> To: "'Jim McGrath'" <<a href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org">jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org">jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org</a>>>, "'Derek<br>> Goldman'"<br>> <<a href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com">derekmgold@hotmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:derekmgold@hotmail.com">derekmgold@hotmail.com</a>>>, <<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>>,<br>
> <<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>>><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> Message-ID: <003501ca7753$b134d120$139e7360$@org><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> I'm there!<br>><br>><br>> From: Jim McGrath [mailto:<a href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org">jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org">jmcgrath@missoulahousing.org</a>>]<br>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:30 AM<br>> To: Rod Austin; Derek Goldman; <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>;<br>> <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>> Subject: RE: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>
><br>><br>> Solar!<br>><br>><br>> From: <a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>>] On Behalf Of Rod<br>
Austin<br>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:14 AM<br>> To: 'Derek Goldman'; <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>; <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>><br>><br>> Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking<br>> fee? Rod<br>><br>><br>> From: <a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>>] On Behalf Of Derek<br>> Goldman<br>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>; <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>
><br>><br>> i wish we had a "like" button...<br>><br>><br>><br>> _____<br>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700<br>> From: <a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:srye@montana.com">srye@montana.com</a>><br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>
><br>> I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back<br>> wishing<br>> our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of<br>electric<br>> vehicles.<br>><br>
> Ed Childers<br>><br>><br>> Stacy Rye wrote:<br>> Rod,<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that<br>
> kiosks are<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and<br>> perhaps a<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> question of if it's not broke . . .<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking<br>
> meters/kiosks<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> are proposed.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Stacy<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> There are many issues to think through on what actually gets<br>> put on the<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space<br>> meters and<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> we<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that<br>
> with the new<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And<br>> frankly I<br>
> don't<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age<br>> I sometimes<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> take change hard but do try to stay open to it.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a<br>
> little<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> surprised) and noted.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Rod<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>
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><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:05:40 -0700<br>> From: Michael Loftis <<a href="mailto:mloftis@wgops.com">mloftis@wgops.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mloftis@wgops.com">mloftis@wgops.com</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 12-2-09 (parking<br>> meters)<br>> To: <a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a>><br>
> Message-ID: <814A79FDD7ABC5353935390A@[192.168.1.44]><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed<br>><br>> (reply is inline)<br>><br>> --On Friday, December 04, 2009 12:22 PM -0700 Rod Austin<br>
> <<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>> We are currently looking a a different metering system on<br>> N Higgins.<br>> Electronic gang meters are on our radar and this may be a<br>> great place<br>
><br>><br>> to<br>><br>><br>> try them.<br>><br>><br>><br>> One of my concerns is that a *lot* of the LCD display based<br>> multi-space (and single space meters) may not function well<br>
> during winter around<br>> here. I personally would prefer to pay via credit card, or<br>> even cell txt or<br>> call from the comfort of the vehicle, than change, or cash.<br>
> As someone mentioned further along in this thread waiting on<br>> someone else in this weather is painful at the least. Also,<br>> as many have noted bill changers<br>><br>> can also have a hard time when the temperatures are this low.<br>
><br>> I'm sure our folks at the parking commission are considering<br>> all of<br>> this, after all, they ultimately have to service and maintain<br>> all of this kit!<br>
><br>><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:12:15 -0700<br>> From: Ed Childers <<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us">echilders@ci.missoula.mt.us</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters<br>> To: Rod Austin <<a href="mailto:raustin@missouladowntownbid.org">raustin@missouladowntownbid.org</a><br>
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