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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I too would like to weigh in on the dog
discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am in 100% support of LaNette and Ken’s
observations and recommendations below. My experience on <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Missoula</st1:place></st1:City>’s conversation lands is
similar. The few negative instances I have ever witnessed in my 11 years
here in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Missoula</st1:City></st1:place>
are far outweighed by the positive. The benefit of the conservation lands
and <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Missoula</st1:place></st1:City>’s
dog friendly approach are a benefit to my entire family, human and dog alike.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would have no problem using a leash in
the first 200 yards. I have found most challenges come from territory
issues around loading and unloading from our vehicles. We tend to use a
leash for the first leg of our journey anyway. I believe most responsible
dog owners would agree. I would be happy to use this and any other common
sense “middle ground” approaches to alleviate concerns the general
public may have about our current usage. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please know there are many responsible people
owned by dogs in our community. We walk our dogs responsibly, pick up
poop religiously, and wish to find an appropriate balance between our dogs and our
conservation lands. We love both very much.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you for listening. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com [mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>LaNette Diaz<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 29, 2009
11:48 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> missoulagov@cmslists.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [MissoulaGov]
committee update 1-28-09</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would like to weigh in on the dog discussion:<br>
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I walk my dog 5 days a week every day after work on <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Missoula</st1:place></st1:City> conservation lands. I love that
Missuola has created the space for dogs to be off leash. Dogs like people need
exercise to stay healthy and happy. A tired dog is a happy and obediant dog. <br>
<br>
Over the approximately 260 days a year that I am out with my dog on <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Missoula</st1:place></st1:City> conservation
lands I encounter the "not-so-friendly" dog about 3 times a year. I
encounter dogs that chase wildlife about 8 times a year. <br>
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On the flip-side I see hundreds of socially trained dogs that respect other
dogs and wildlife so much more than the negative of side. Punishing the
socially trained dogs, which out-weigh the "not-so-friendly" dog
doesn't seem right. <br>
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I support a the idea of voice restraint areas on conservation lands, with the
first 200 yards from the trailhead being onleash (this is were encounters
between dogs occur, because many dogs are territorial of their space which is
the vehicle they came in). Enforcing the 200 yard rule is much easier and
within <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Missoula</st1:place></st1:City>'s
resources whereas, enforing that dogs stay on leashes on all conservation lands
would be difficult to enforce. I would rather see a rule that can be enforced
be applied, than a rule that punishes so many good dogs and is hard to enforce.<br>
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Thanks for Listening,<br>
LaNette<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Thompson, Ken <<a
href="mailto:Ken.Thompson@mso.umt.edu">Ken.Thompson@mso.umt.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'>It is a shame that all
dog owners get thrown together and stereotyped in these kind of debates.
And it isn't fair. I appreciate your perspective Bob. There are
appropriate places and times for dogs off-leash. We responsible and
thoughtful dog owners have to deal with this and it gets truly
old……</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com" target="_blank">missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com</a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marilyn Marler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 29, 2009
9:58 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:missoulagov@cmslists.com" target="_blank">missoulagov@cmslists.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [MissoulaGov]
committee update 1-28-09</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Serenity
now.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:BJaffe@ci.missoula.mt.us"
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Greetings,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dogs were
on the agenda again this morning. This time we were considering a
proposal from the parks department to allow for the conservation lands to be
designated as "voice restraint" areas. Among the arguments for
this change are this is already the common practice; most problems for staff
revolve around human conflicts associated with enforcement rather than actual
problems with dogs; dogs need places to run; the population likes walking with
dogs off leash on conservation lands.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Some of
the arguments against the change are that dogs are ill-mannered beasts no
matter how much the owner claims they are under control; they chase and
sometimes kill wildlife; they fight; they harass other people; some dog owners
are irresponsible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There
were a few other clean up items in the proposal but the conservation land leash
law was the meat of the discussion. We moved to set a public hearing to let the
public weigh in again before making a decision. Based on the tone of the
discussion the council will vote against allowing dogs off leash on the
conservation lands. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am in
support of the staff proposal that they should be allowed off leash except in
particularly sensitive areas or for temporary periods when needed due to
wildlife movement. I guess I see the conservation lands like the north hills
and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Mount</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Sentinel</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> as part of the human
environment. Like the "mixing zone" in the river below the sewage
plant. It is sort of natural but the human impact is acknowledged and accepted
to a limited degree.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I imagine
Marilyn, who is our Lorax of Mt. Sentinel, may be horrified by that statement.
But I think this human (and our dogs) impact on the conservation lands is part
of the reason we need to keep up such a sustained effort to preserve and
maintain their natural condition. It may sound like a contradiction but we
don't want conservation lands just to look at. Clearly the best thing we
could do to protect those lands is to close them to people. But we paid all
that money for them because we want to walk around up there. So it's not ideal
from a conservation perspective, but as a community asset I think we need to
put up with the dogs. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In
conservation committee we discussed the update to the master parks plan. I
confess to being a bit distracted today so some of the events from the day are
faded now. My comments had to do with pocket parks and Ward six parks.
These last few years the parks department has frowned upon small parks. They
are more expensive to maintain. They would rather just get money from
developers that can go toward enhancing the larger neighborhood parks.
But I like pocket parks. There are all sorts of places you can make them happen
and they can be really nice. So I was asking for some reconsideration of
that policy. On some subdivisions they could make sense if they are to be
maintained by the home owners association instead of the City. Pam brought up
the example of little Mccormick park along railroad street. I was actually
thinking more like the little thing at the end of <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address
w:st="on">Holmes street</st1:address></st1:Street> by the greenway trail.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regarding
ward six, we know where the large land areas are that could someday become a
park. In particular there is the forest service property. This is seriously
underutilized property in the middle of town. Eventually they are going to sell
it. We should be making plans for how to obtain it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There was
no PAZ today since it was time for our quarterly joint meeting with the county
commissioners to discuss the interlocal agreement for the office of planning
and grants. We graciously give up our time slot for this meeting every three
months. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We heard
another pitch from the crime victim advocates office. They were in a fiscal
crisis last year when some funding did not renew. They managed to pull out of
it this year but have tapped pretty much every resource available. In a year or
two they will be in trouble again. They want us to start thinking about it now
while it is not an emergency. Maybe Obama will save us with new money
from on high.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We also
discussed the update to the growth policy. We have run into a problem with all
the plans we have developed. They are supposed to get updated regularly. If we
were going to do them all on a five year cycle it would require OPG to update
ten plans per year. That would require at least a few more FTE's. So we
need a new approach.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In
regards to the growth policy Roger suggested we consider a whole different
model. In some communities they have the thing down to a single poster. It
succinctly states the goals, objectives and policies. Then they have electronic
data with all the supporting material. The electronic data is constantly
updated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The way
we do it is we publish a big book that represents the way things are at a
certain moment in time and then it is instantly outdated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In
A&F we appointed a couple of more people to the public art board. We also
accepted a grant from FWP to build a trail connection up in the south hills
that Jeff Stevens had worked hard to secure. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In public
works we bought a couple of vehicles. Just to make sure we didn't fuss about
the big pickup truck they combined it with the purchase of a Prius. The
Prius is for the fire department for when the go on road trips to training and
conferences and the truck is for parking maintenance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We
finished the day with Committee of the Whole. We had the administration's
legislative update. Ross Best came to the Monday meeting and he was here
today to complain about the public notice and involvement for the City's
lobbying efforts. He heard that a SharePoint system had been developed
for us to track bills, get updates from the lobbyist and comment. He
lamented over how this is all private and should be open to the public.
He complained that all the public knows is the two words on the agenda
"Legislative Update." There is no other additional info to know what
is going on. Up until a couple of days ago this is the way it was for us too.
We would see the two words on the agenda and the Mayor would come and give a
verbal report. Other than whatever notes we took we would have nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The new
system is a little better but it is still pretty clunky. The way SharePoint has
been implemented it is kind of like a really low end blogging platform. Each
bill is like a discussion thread and then there are some comments. They are
working on a way to make it all publicly accessible. All that is really needed
is the list of bills the City is taking a position on. I haven't really seen a
whole lot in the comments that are valuable. The stuff from the lobbyist is
generally comments like "I met with so and so today to discuss this."
Not really any useful insight into the status or process. I'm hoping there is
actually something going on there for all the money we paid.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The other
issue we discussed was the notification to the public for the zoning rewrite.
State law requires we run a legal ad and have a meeting that is open to the
public. Of course that does not meet <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Missoula</st1:place></st1:City> standards for transparent
government. The planning office has held endless public meetings and this
whole zoning rewrite process has had tons of press but there is a faction that
believes that if only the community knew what was going on they would come
unglued. So in the tireless effort to provide opportunity to become
civically engaged we discussed what kind of mailing could be sent to every
property owner in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Missoula</st1:place></st1:City>.
The idea is that we could compose something on a half page size post card that
would outline all the substantive changes and let folks know how to
participate. It will probably cost around $15,000. Next week OPG will
come back with a sample of the mailing. There is some concern about the
content. Some of the folks are convinced the sky is falling and the fact that
we are not ringing the alarm bells is all the more evidence that we are
complicate with the conspiracy. Some of us disagree with that opinion. So it is
important how this thing gets written.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Once
again I thank you for your interest and your indulgence of my rant. I apologize
in advance to those I have offended and for any inaccuracies or omissions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bob Jaffe</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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