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Jim, sorry about your cat--that's horrible!<BR>Maybe I was't clear, though. I don't think cats and dogs need to have ALL the same rules, but they certainly share at least SOME potentially annoying behaviors (eg: biting, defecating, harassing wildlife) wouldn't you say? So, some of those dog rules are still applicable. <BR>
Yes, of course, they are different species, however, the community problems a cat can cause -- like a problem dog -- do not necessarily have anything to do with its capacity to reproduce. Yet, as the law currently reads, lack of sterility is the ONLY problem for which there is a legal recourse for neighbors. That was my main point.<BR>
That being said, I agree that just being at-large does not necessarily imply the cat (or dog, for that matter) is causing a problem. It's what happens while the animal is at large. Maybe there is some compromise language we can find here...<BR>
Thanks, Derek <BR><BR>
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From: westridge@montana.com<BR>To: derekmgold@hotmail.com; bjaffe@ci.missoula.mt.us; missoulagov@cmslists.com<BR>Subject: RE: [MissoulaGov] Highlights for Monday's public hearings<BR>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:56:14 -0700<BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Derek and City Council Members:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have family in town and will not be able to come to tonight’s public hearing on the cat ordinance changes, but here are my thoughts in regard to </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Derek Goldman</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">’s last comment…for the record.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cats are not dogs. That being said…and being a cat owner who’s cat was shot in the eye a year ago from one of our ‘neighbors’ at point blank range, in an effort to kill the cat—even though our cat had a collar on with our info for contact…</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here’s my point…cats do not recognize fences and yard lines like dogs and are indeed, more commonly, wilder—as part of their genetic coding—than dogs—a different species and must be recognized as such---unless they happen to be fully domesticated inside cats.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Not all domestics can be treated the same (dogs and cats; horses and llamas; chickens and parakeets). To legislate that a cat must behave ‘like a dog’ and not ever wander beyond its property takes the basis of its true nature out of the animal, which I consider unfair to the animal. This is not to say your interests to keep your freshly dug garden beds cat poop free is not an issue—it is, but within constraints of accepting pets as a part of society and doing what we can to support the genetic, true nature of many cats while respecting your rights as a property owner without cats.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What we’ve done is ‘talk to our neighbors’, and given them our cat’s picture and our contact number so if she causes problems, they come to us, not take out their anger, etc., on an animal just filling its nature.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I believe the language you suggest changing should not be altered. We still must behave as citizens and be responsible, not expect to alter an animal’s genetic codes because we want it so.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Respectfully<SPAN class=EC_GramE>,<SPAN> </SPAN>Jim</SPAN> Parker</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com [mailto:missoulagov-bounces@cmslists.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Derek Goldman</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:55 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">bjaffe@ci.missoula.mt.us</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">; </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">missoulagov@cmslists.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [MissoulaGov] Highlights for Monday's public hearings</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">thanks for the heads up, Bob. Re the cat ordinance:<BR><BR>I'm not sure why the ammendment proposes to change the definition of a bothersome cat from "nuisance" to "unnattended." I looked up the dog ordinance, and bothersome DOGS are indeed referred to as "nuisance." So why not cats? We should be consistent so as not to send a message that dogs can be bothersome, but cats cannot be.<BR><BR>I would also recommend one additional change to close a loophole in the cat ordinance:<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">In the definition of a nuisance/unattended cat, please strike the last 4 words of the sentence that requires a cat to be <U>unaltered</U> in order to fit the definition. If a cat is off it's owner's property, then it may be causing problems with its neighbors <U>irrespective of its reproductive status.</U></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Excessive cat breeding is indeed a problem, but it is only one problem caused by loose cats. Urination and defecation in private and community gardens, flower beds, compost piles, and under decks, as well as harassment of native wildlife and other pets also present problems. But as the ordinance is currently writen, a cat can legally do all these things as long as it is neutered or spayed. That seems odd (and also inconsistent with dog ordinance, which lists "defecation..." as one of the many activities that define a nuisance dog). Please send this back for reconsideration. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>Thanks, Derek Goldman</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#3300cc size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3300cc; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:53:32 -0700<BR>From: BJaffe@ci.missoula.mt.us<BR>To: missoulagov@cmslists.com<BR>Subject: [MissoulaGov] Highlights for Monday's public hearings</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">We have five public hearings scheduled for tomorrow.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Here are some highlights in case anyone wants to come and comment (you can also comment by sending mail to <A href="mailto:council@ci.missoula.mt.us">council@ci.missoula.mt.us</A>).</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Cats: </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><A href="ftp://www.ci.missoula.mt.us/Packets/Council/2008/2008-12-15/2008CatOrdinanceAmendment[1].pdf">ftp://www.ci.missoula.mt.us/Packets/Council/2008/2008-12-15/2008CatOrdinanceAmendment%5B1%5D.pdf</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">There are a few changes to the ordinance being proposed. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">‘Nuisance cat’ is replaced by ‘unattended cat’. An unattended cat is an unaltered cat off of its owner’s property. To be the owner of an unattended cat is illegal.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">A breeding cat is an unaltered cat 4 months old. It used to be six months.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It is unlawful to own a pair of unaltered cats of the opposite sex without a breeders license.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It is unlawful to own more than five cats without a breeders license (this appears to be the controversial one)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Pet Day Care Centers are defined. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Leashes are required within 200 feet of trailheads.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">If an unaltered dog is picked up three times in its life it gets sterilized. There used to be an option to pay $250 to avoid sterilization.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The following paragraph is included in the unlawful section:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For a dog owner to cause, allow, permit, either willfully or by failure to</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">exercise due care</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#c95100><SPAN style="COLOR: #c95100; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, to allow </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">a dog to be a nuisance barking dog. EXCEPT:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">that such sounds made at animal shelters, commercial kennels</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#c95100><SPAN style="COLOR: #c95100; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, </SPAN></FONT><S><FONT face=Arial color=#0101ff><SPAN style="COLOR: #0101ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">pet daycare</SPAN></FONT></S><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><S><FONT face=Arial color=#0101ff size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0101ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">centers</SPAN></FONT></S><FONT face=Arial color=#0101ff><SPAN style="COLOR: #0101ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">and veterinary hospitals </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#008481><SPAN style="COLOR: #008481; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">which meet the proper zoning requirements</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#008481 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #008481; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">shall be exempt</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The “Pet Daycare centers” were included in the exemption when it was originally presented to us. I asked that this be removed. I am hoping to hear from people on this prior to making a final decision. These businesses can have a very high impact on their neighbors.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Park Fees:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">General incremental increase in the parks fees. There may be some open issues on the rate set for the 50 meter pool. There was an expectation that it would be rented out at full cost this year but I believe the proposal still has a general fund subsidy.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Other Public Hearings:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">We also have a couple of annexations including the large Linda Vista Estates subdivision.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob Jaffe</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_NormalWeb11 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Missoula City Council, Ward 3</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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