[MissoulaGov] Russell redesign - and the Death Star

Ed Childers ed.childers at optimum.net
Tue Feb 4 11:49:01 CST 2014


Hi, Tim. I wrote up a referral to LUP ("Land Use & Planning") and will 
get it submitted.

---ed

Ed Childers
ed.childers at optimum.net
406-728-3751
   as of 11/22/2013, no cell phone
On 02/04/2014 10:39 AM, Tim Skufca wrote:
> Thanks Ed. The applicable chapter is under Southside Riverfront 
> Overlay (20.25.060 - starting on page 13). The "Building Design" 
> section clearly seems to have been neglected. Was this project 
> approved prior to this Overlay? Or was there an "Exception" given?
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Ed Childers <ed.childers at optimum.net 
> <mailto:ed.childers at optimum.net>> wrote:
>
>     Interesting.
>     Here's <http://www.ci.missoula.mt.us/DocumentCenter/View/2873> a
>     link to some applicable zoning.
>         I haven't looked for a Russell Street entrance.
>
>     ---ed
>
>     Ed Childers
>
>     On 02/03/2014 04:27 PM, Jim Sayer wrote:
>>     Ironically, while driving along Russell yesterday, I saw at the
>>     new building they had put one of those big inflatable slinky toys
>>     on the back corner of the building to attract people to the
>>     backside! Holy cow, why didn't they put an entrance on the
>>     streetside!?
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Monday, February 3, 2014 12:17 PM, Emily Bentley
>>     <emilybrockbentley at gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:emilybrockbentley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     I agree with the sentiment about the zoning on Russell Street
>>     having unintended consequences and will find out more ASAP and
>>     get back to this group.
>>     Em
>>     Emily Bentley - City of Missoula Ward 3 Councilwoman
>>
>>     On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:49 AM, JOHN WOLVERTON
>>     <yodelingdog at hotmail.com <mailto:yodelingdog at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Agreed as well !
>>
>>         The new "Garden District subdivision" fitness center
>>         structure, with its huge exhaust port-nozzles and high
>>         looming windows, stares down onto Russell Street like a death
>>         star.
>>
>>         It stands as an example of a wasted opportunity that could
>>         have set an appropriate tone for better commingling of land
>>         use and transportation on this soon-to-be-rebuilt corridor.
>>         Like our downtown buildings, being close to the road would
>>         not be a problem if it had a classic and human-scale facade
>>         with an inviting ground floor retail/commercial presence,
>>         alcoves, entranceways and more windows.
>>
>>         In early 2012 the Garden District development proposal by the
>>         Farran group went through an MRA - TIF funding process as
>>         part of URD II; thus I am stunned to see this particular
>>         building turn out in such an undesirable form /and/ function.
>>
>>         I go along with Jim Sayer in encouraging the community to
>>         /insist/ on a retrofit of the Russell Street facade on this
>>         structure...
>>         and move those awful-looking exhaust nozzles to the roof.
>>
>>         John Wolverton
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         From: france at nwf.org <mailto:france at nwf.org>
>>         To: pamwalzer at gmail.com <mailto:pamwalzer at gmail.com>;
>>         rodaustinsr at gmail.com <mailto:rodaustinsr at gmail.com>
>>         Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:28:34 -0500
>>         CC: nmcdc at montana.com <mailto:nmcdc at montana.com>;
>>         missoulagov at cmslists.com <mailto:missoulagov at cmslists.com>
>>         Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Russell redesign
>>
>>         Agreed. What was built would seem to accelerate traffic.  A
>>         canyon effect because of how close the building is to the
>>         street and how big it is, no room for landscaping and only
>>         the backside of a building to look at.
>>         *From:*Pam Walzer [mailto:pamwalzer at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:pamwalzer at gmail.com>]
>>         *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2014 11:25 AM
>>         *To:* Rod Austin
>>         *Cc:* Bob Oaks; John Paoli; Tom France;
>>         missoulagov at cmslists.com <mailto:missoulagov at cmslists.com>
>>         *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Russell redesign
>>         Rod - Unfortunately, that is not what was built.
>>         On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Rod Austin
>>         <rodaustinsr at gmail.com <mailto:rodaustinsr at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>         The idea is that the street side be retail oriented to become
>>         more
>>         pedestrian friendly! It also helps to calm or slow traffic.
>>
>>         -----Original Message-----
>>         From: MissoulaGov [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
>>         <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>] On Behalf Of Bob
>>         Oaks
>>         Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:15 PM
>>         To: John Paoli; 'Tom France'; missoulagov at cmslists.com
>>         <mailto:missoulagov at cmslists.com>
>>         Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Russell redesign
>>         Thank you John,
>>
>>         I looked at the "Guidelines" link but I can't find the part
>>         that would
>>         mandate no street entrances.
>>
>>         Bob
>>
>>
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