[MissoulaGov] Goals for Council
Jonathan Marquis
jbmarquis at gmail.com
Thu Feb 11 15:26:02 MST 2010
I would like to see an effort to develop affordable-low income Live/Work
spaces for artists.
Similar to what city's like, Boston, Vancouver, & Seattle have done to
encourage development of such spaces. Here is a link that showcases what
these cities have done.
http://www.artistlink.org/?q=spacetoolbox/formunicipalities/examplecityinitiatives/examplesofcityefforts/boston
Such live/work spaces would nurture and expand Missoula's creative community
which draws many people to the downtown area - proven by the success of
first fridays and first night missoula
I too support John Wolverton's ideas --
"The city should foster economic stability (not growth).Meaning, we should
foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting multi-national corporations
to town (which turn and run when the economy gets bad[my own addition]); but
by nurturing local investment, local food production and value added
production of things that we need locally. We should encourage modest
systems which keep money circulating locally as much as possible."
I beleive that nurturing the creative community is one way to go about this
-- and could also expand missoula a requional creative center that could
draw more tourism and outside dollars.
I think a reasonable goal to strive for in regards to local food production
would be to find ways to produce enough food locally that could support the
entire Missoula community...especially if there where ever a catostrophic
event that made bringing in food from california or from other countries
impossible or too expensive.
Keep it up the good work city council
Jonathan Marquis
www.artmelt.net
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> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:03:43 -0700
> From: Michael Loftis <mloftis at wgops.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Google wants to roll out Gigabit internet
> (FTTH/FTTP/FIOS)
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> Here's a ZDNet article on the topic in case anyone is interested.
>
> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=30654&tag=nl.e589>
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> --On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:28 AM -0700 Michael Loftis
> <mloftis at wgops.com> wrote:
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> > <
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experiment
> > al.html>
> >
> > Basically Google is looking for friendly markets/cities that aren't too
> > big to blanket with super high speed Internet. Missoula is a pretty good
> > choice being (roughly) halfway between the west coast and Chicago, and
> > also along fiber routes that go north and south.
> >
> > I think Missoula has a decent chance of making it into Google's program.
> > Exactly what's entailed/needed from the community is still early, they're
> > putting out RFI now. But if we as a community can show them we want
> > this, it would help build more tech industry in Missoula.
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> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:48:23 -0700
> From: Bob Jaffe <BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Google wants to roll out Gigabit internet
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> Michael,
> Thanks for bringing this to our attention. The city administration is
> following up.
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> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html
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>
> Basically Google is looking for friendly markets/cities that aren't too big
> to blanket with super high speed Internet. Missoula is a pretty good
> choice being (roughly) halfway between the west coast and Chicago, and also
> along fiber routes that go north and south.
>
> I think Missoula has a decent chance of making it into Google's program.
> Exactly what's entailed/needed from the community is still early, they're
> putting out RFI now. But if we as a community can show them we want this,
> it would help build more tech industry in Missoula.
>
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> From: JOHN WOLVERTON <yodelingdog at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
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> Sorry I'm a little late with this. I want to put out my support for the
> city council doing what it can to preserve local ag-lands and encourage
> local / regional farming and food distribution.
> Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning for a more
> walkable/bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for fossil
> fuelausterity whether we like it or not. Communities who prepare fora
> sustainable future in that context will be best positionedfor economic
> stability. The city should foster economic stability (not growth).Meaning,
> we should foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting multi-national
> corporations to town; but by nurturing local investment, local food
> production and value added production of things that we need locally. We
> shouldencourage modest systems which keep money circulating locally as much
> as possible.
> Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
> John Wolverton
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> From: "David V. Gray" <hdgray at modwest.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council
> To: "'maximillian smith'" <greenunderbelly at gmail.com>, "'Bob Jaffe'"
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> Max,
>
>
>
> I believe the Bozeman City Dump already has a very successful composting
> program. All organic waste can be disposed of for free and you pay to
> dispose actual waste. When I lived in Bozeman the City Dump had been
> recognized and awarded several times for its forward thinking programs and
> huge compost operation. If Missoula is turning into a pay to throw away
> system I would like to see municipal composting programs started to
> counteract the increase in trash fees. This could be a bonus for the parks
> department and a possible income stream to help pay for park maintenance.
> It works for Ecocompost why not Garden City Compost?
>
>
>
> David V. Gray
>
> Ward 6
>
>
>
> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of maximillian smith
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:11 AM
> To: Bob Jaffe
> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council
>
>
>
> Taking off of Tim's comment--A deep look into the future demands our
> redesign of cities that meet our demands (energy, food, ...) locally (read:
> cutting out the fraud, waste, and abuse of petroleum).
>
>
>
> I'd like the see the city take a look at producing our energy from the
> wastestream (not incinerating things like trash, but converting biogas into
> methane for heat and electricity). I'd like to see the city support the
> efforts of citizens who are motivated to develop technological fixes like
> biogas converters and greywater systems. Call it the Small Is Still
> Beautiful, Missoula crowd, or maybe call it practical. I'd suggest these
> sorts of developments be supported (if subsidizing such efforts isn't the
> council's bag, I'd love to see policy changes that might encourage these
> decentralized manifestations of sustainability). Maybe we'll get to a point
> where the city's power is produced by city-centralized anaerobic digesters.
> How cool would that be?
>
>
>
> Concerning food-- students and faculty in Missoula and Bozeman are
> beginning
> to address nutritional disparity among low-income residents by developing
> their lawns. In a nutshell, we're nearing a point where (and there's
> beginning to be a push in Bozeman for grants and city-support) MT
> municipalities might sponsor city-wide composting...like they do in
> Portland, Seattle, and other progressive urban areas.
>
>
>
> Max Smith
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Bob Jaffe <BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We are scheduled to have a discussion tomorrow afternoon regarding goals
> for
> the council.
>
> Here is the referral I made back in April of '07:
>
>
>
> Hold a structured discussion regarding the goals we have for what we want
> to
> accomplish over the next
>
> year. Hopefully concluding with a list of tasks and some kind of action
> plan
> for how those things will
>
> happen.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed has reluctantly agreed to take up this item in COW on Wednesday.
>
>
>
> Marilyn posted this one:
>
> Among other things already mentioned, I want to see the city save money and
> maintenance costs by increasingly using native plants and non turf areas as
> much as possible. Labor and water costs make annual flowers and expansive
> lawns expensive.
>
> Where turf lawns are needed, I would like them maintained using integrated
> management methods (composting, aeration, proper irrigation, prudent
> herbicide applications). We asked parks for a turf management plan several
> years ago- let's re-visit this. Proper management saves money.
>
>
>
> Here are a few of mine:
>
> I would like to see us do something meaningful in the realm of affordable
> housing. Both in the area of regulation and financing. Slow progress is
> being made but I would like to see us step it up.
>
>
>
> Sidewalks: We have got to come up with a better way to do sidewalks. The
> street maintenance districts could play a role in this.
>
> Urban Forest: We know the trees are dying. If we want to maintain one of
> the
> most defining aspects of the character of Ward 3 we will need to take much
> more aggressive action to maintain the urban forest. Maintenance districts
> may also be a part of this.
>
>
>
> I'm curious if folks have suggestions for what they would like to see the
> City Council / City of Missoula accomplish in the short and long term.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Jaffe
>
> Missoula City Council, Ward Three
>
> 1225 South 2nd West
>
> Missoula, MT 59801
>
> (406) 880-2052
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> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:13:46 -0700
> From: Bob Jaffe <BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> Subject: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
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> Greetings,
> This morning in conservation we authorized a $38,000 grant from the DNRC to
> implement a GIS based street tree inventory and do some kind of ecosystem
> analysis. The city did an inventory back in 2003 but the data has not been
> maintained. This grant will allow us to get updated software and start the
> process of building the inventory. We also discussed the urban forest in
> general. Currently we only budget enough for a pruning cycle of about 45
> years. The ideal cycle for the health of the trees would be seven years. We
> talked about activating the tree board and ideas for getting citizens more
> involved in the care of the urban forest. We hope to get interns and other
> students involved in the GIS inventory of the trees. There are lots of
> opportunities in the urban forest for citizen science and citizen
> stewardship.
>
> In PAZ we finished up the historic preservation ordinance. The document was
> reorganized to move the procedures into the general procedures chapter of
> title 20 but there were no more substantive changes. There were a few
> interesting debates but no successful motions. One of the discussions had to
> do with expanding the scope to include properties eligible for listing on
> the register. Currently there are two such properties in Missoula. The Moon
> Randolph homestead owned by the City and the Catholic block buildings other
> than the church. To be eligible means that the lengthy process to get listed
> has been completed but the owner hasn't signed the paper.
> Jason made the motion to include eligible properties and argued that the
> resource is historic whether the owner wants it to be or not. We don't tell
> owners of property along the river that they have land that qualifies as a
> riparian resource but since they haven't registered it as such they don't
> need to protect it. This pretty well gets to the essence of the issue. Do we
> consider cultural and historic resources to be community assets to the
> degree that they deserve protecting, potentially against the will of the
> owner? We regularly apply this standard for environmental resources. All the
> same the motion failed. I think it was me, Jason, Dave, and Pam in favor and
> everyone else against.
> The ordinance will go to our next council meeting and hopefully get
> approved. Next I expect there to be an effort to identify a neighborhood
> that wants to explore establishing a historic district. Until then, please
> no more posts about historic anything. I'm kind of sick of the subject.
>
> In A&F we approved the collective bargaining agreement with the parking
> commission. It is a one year contract with 3.5% increases.
>
> In Public Works we finished up the revisions to title 12.22 related to
> parking. There were tons of edits but the one we spent the most time on had
> to do with parking in the setbacks. The final language reads like this:
>
> A. Parking in within the setbacks per (C) above shall be removed when
> the use adjacent parking spaces are removed from located within outside the
> required building setback is discontinued. A curb cut and driveway
> approach, if existing, shall be removed and the previous parking area shall
> be landscaped. The driveway may be retained if it meets all the following
> conditions:
>
> 1. The driveway shall be a minimum of 20 (20') feet long as measured
> from the property line
>
> 2. The driveway and apron must be paved
>
> 3. The maximum width of the driveway within the setback cannot exceed
> 20 (20') feet
>
> We also talked about sewers in Linda Vista. It's hard to describe this
> without the map but a deal had been worked out for the sewer line to run
> down into that open land northwest of Linda Vista Blvd. It would go to a
> lift station and then be pumped up to the area of the new roundabout.
> Instead, a deal was worked with Lloyd Twite to put the lift station in the
> parking lot of the golf course. The net savings to the city to build it this
> way is about $130,000. We also learned that the bids for the roundabout
> came in substantially below estimates and the project would for sure be
> built this summer.
>
> The last meeting of the day was COW for the goals discussion. Besides Ed's
> best efforts it went really well. Nothing actionable was accomplished but it
> was good to hear people just talk about what was important to them. I was
> most interested to hear from the conservative corner as I already know what
> the folks on the left have to say. Renee was hoping we could get some kind
> of inventory of city services so we could prioritize them and identify
> possible duplications of service. I think this would be a good idea too. I
> think people will be impressed to see the list of services they receive for
> an average price of $60/month/household.
>
> Jon's highest priority goal is to keep small homes on small lots and
> multifamily housing out of the Lewis and Clark neighborhood. His other goal
> was to see more people elected to city council who can think for themselves.
> I'm not sure why he found it necessary to lob an attack like that since he
> appeared to be enjoying the conversation and stated as much. No one opted
> to take the bait and challenge him on the attack. Sometimes you just have to
> shake your head and move on even if it is bad for your heart.
>
> Dick talked about how we appear to misunderstand the conservatives
> sometimes during the budget discussions. They aren't just about cutting
> everything. They want to see many of the same projects and programs we do
> move forward. But they think the funding for these things should come from
> clamping down on waste in other areas. He also talked about the businesses
> being the primary source of tax revenue and how we need to do more to
> promote them. At the end Lyn criticized Pam's suggestions that we look at
> things holistically and focus on the big picture. Lyn thinks we should be
> more pragmatic and just hope to survive. She said we need more high paying
> jobs and the city needs to be more business friendly. As an example of how
> anti-business we are she offered a rumor that a Texas firm wanted to come to
> Missoula and create 200 jobs paying $12/hour. But they were told by the city
> that we didn't want them. She didn't offer any additional details to the
> rumor and so far I haven't found
> anyone who knows what she is talking about. She pointed out that Billings
> is #1 on the list of business friendly cities the mayor was bragging about
> us being number ten on. We should look at Billings to see what regulations
> they don't have that make them so much better for business.
>
> The other day, Jon Wilkins got applause from the crowd of builders when he
> chastised Roger for comparing Missoula to other cities. Apparently we are
> only supposed to learn from the experience of other cities when it serves
> one's argument. But I do think Jon had a point. You can only go so far
> comparing us to other cities. We are not Billings (thank God). To name a few
> things we have a different industry base, different location, and we are a
> different size. In the end we will need to find solutions that are right
> for Missoula.
>
> Thank you for your interest,
>
> Bob Jaffe
> Missoula City Council, Ward Three
> 1225 South 2nd West
> Missoula, MT 59801
> (406) 880-2052
>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:58:00 -0700
> From: "Tim Skufca" <tskufca at kibogroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
> To: "JOHN WOLVERTON" <yodelingdog at hotmail.com>, "missoulagov"
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> Nicely worded, especially the part that down-plays growth and stresses
> local sustainability: "foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting
> multi-national corporations to town; but by nurturing local investment,
> local food production and value added production of things that we need
> locally." YES!
>
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> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of JOHN WOLVERTON
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:52 PM
> To: missoulagov
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
>
>
> Sorry I'm a little late with this.
>
> I want to put out my support for the
> city council doing what it can to preserve local ag-lands and encourage
> local / regional farming and food distribution.
>
> Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning for a more
> walkable/
> bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for fossil fuel
> austerity whether we like it or not. Communities who prepare for
> a sustainable future in that context will be best positioned
> for economic stability.
>
> The city should foster economic stability (not growth).
> Meaning, we should foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting
> multi-national
> corporations to town; but by nurturing local investment, local food
> production
> and value added production of things that we need locally. We should
> encourage modest systems which keep money circulating locally as
> much as possible.
>
> Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
>
> John Wolverton
>
>
>
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> From: Russ Fletcher <russ at matr.net>
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> > Local governments submitting RFIs must do so via the interactive
> > response forms on the company's Web site. Google encourages local
> > governments to persuade nongovernmental community entities to submit
> > concurrent RFIs to bolster the RFIs submitted by their partnering
> > governments.
>
>
> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks. Would you like to
> see a network in your community?
> <http://matr.net/article-37980.html>
>
>
> Michael Loftis wrote:
> > <
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Basically Google is looking for friendly markets/cities that aren't
> > too big to blanket with super high speed Internet. Missoula is a
> > pretty good choice being (roughly) halfway between the west coast and
> > Chicago, and also along fiber routes that go north and south.
> >
> > I think Missoula has a decent chance of making it into Google's
> > program. Exactly what's entailed/needed from the community is still
> > early, they're putting out RFI now. But if we as a community can show
> > them we want this, it would help build more tech industry in Missoula.
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:10:15 -0700
> From: Ethel MacDonald <ethelmacd at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
> To: Tim Skufca <tskufca at kibogroup.com>
> Cc: missoulagov <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
> Message-ID:
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> I too applaud John Wolverton's ideas -- do we WANT to be like Billings?
> (see Bob's report on yesterday's committee meetings & COW comments).
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Tim Skufca <tskufca at kibogroup.com> wrote:
>
> > Nicely worded, especially the part that down-plays growth and
> > stresses local sustainability: "foster local-regional vitality, not by
> > inviting multi-national corporations to town; but by nurturing local
> > investment, local food production and value added production of things
> > that we need locally." YES!
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com [mailto:
> > missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] *On Behalf Of *JOHN WOLVERTON
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:52 PM
> > *To:* missoulagov
> > *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> > energy future
> >
> > Sorry I'm a little late with this.
> >
> > I want to put out my support for the
> > city council doing what it can to preserve local ag-lands and encourage
> > local / regional farming and food distribution.
> >
> > Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning for a more
> > walkable/
> > bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for fossil fuel
> > austerity whether we like it or not. Communities who prepare for
> > a sustainable future in that context will be best positioned
> > for economic stability.
> >
> > The city should foster economic stability (not growth).
> > Meaning, we should foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting
> > multi-national
> > corporations to town; but by nurturing local investment, local food
> > production
> > and value added production of things that we need locally. We should
> > encourage modest systems which keep money circulating locally as
> > much as possible.
> >
> > Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
> >
> > John Wolverton
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> ?Be still, and the world is bound to turn herself inside out to entertain
> you. Everywhere you look, joyful noise is clanging to drown out quiet
> desperation? -- Barbara Kingsolver
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:26:54 -0700
> From: Sally Brown <sallybrown6 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
> To: Ethel MacDonald <ethelmacd at gmail.com>
> Cc: missoulagov <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
> Message-ID: <4B742FCE.8040409 at gmail.com>
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>
> YES to farmland, local food dependency, and gardens in the Garden City!
> Sally Brown, Montana Sustainable Grower's Union
>
>
>
> Ethel MacDonald wrote:
> > I too applaud John Wolverton's ideas -- do we WANT to be like
> > Billings? (see Bob's report on yesterday's committee meetings & COW
> > comments).
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Tim Skufca <tskufca at kibogroup.com
> > <mailto:tskufca at kibogroup.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Nicely worded, especially the part that down-plays growth and
> > stresses local sustainability: "foster local-regional vitality,
> > not by inviting multi-national corporations to town; but by
> > nurturing local investment, local food production and value
> > added production of things that we need locally." YES!
> >
> > *From:* missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>
> > [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>] *On Behalf Of *JOHN
> > WOLVERTON
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:52 PM
> > *To:* missoulagov
> > *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a
> > low energy future
> >
> > Sorry I'm a little late with this.
> >
> > I want to put out my support for the
> > city council doing what it can to preserve local ag-lands and
> > encourage
> > local / regional farming and food distribution.
> >
> > Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning for a
> > more walkable/
> > bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for fossil fuel
> > austerity whether we like it or not. Communities who prepare for
> > a sustainable future in that context will be best positioned
> > for economic stability.
> >
> > The city should foster economic stability (not growth).
> > Meaning, we should foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting
> > multi-national
> > corporations to town; but by nurturing local investment, local
> > food production
> > and value added production of things that we need locally. We should
> > encourage modest systems which keep money circulating locally as
> > much as possible.
> >
> > Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
> >
> > John Wolverton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection.
> > Sign up now. <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/>
> >
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> > record.
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> > <http://www.CedarMountainSoftware.com>.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ?Be still, and the world is bound to turn herself inside out to
> > entertain you. Everywhere you look, joyful noise is clanging to drown
> > out quiet desperation? -- Barbara Kingsolver
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:47:27 -0700
> From: Don Sims <donpsims at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
> To: Sally Brown <sallybrown6 at gmail.com>
> Cc: missoulagov <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
> Message-ID:
> <2c450a3a1002110847o668ca679ld636e180328ccb7a at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> The consensus I have seen is basically people are looking at 2 priorities:
> 1) An emphasis on locally grown food.
> 2) An emphasis on more of a focus around transit oriented developments or
> pedestrian/bike friendly developments in the future.
>
> Would it be possible for city staff to prepare a report on both subjects to
> improve this discussion?
>
> This has been a good discussion - I look forward to hearing more.
>
> Don Sims
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Sally Brown <sallybrown6 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > YES to farmland, local food dependency, and gardens in the Garden City!
> > Sally Brown, Montana Sustainable Grower's Union
> >
> >
> >
> > Ethel MacDonald wrote:
> >
> >> I too applaud John Wolverton's ideas -- do we WANT to be like Billings?
> >> (see Bob's report on yesterday's committee meetings & COW comments).
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Tim Skufca <tskufca at kibogroup.com
> <mailto:
> >> tskufca at kibogroup.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nicely worded, especially the part that down-plays growth and
> >> stresses local sustainability: "foster local-regional vitality,
> >> not by inviting multi-national corporations to town; but by
> >> nurturing local investment, local food production and value
> >> added production of things that we need locally." YES!
> >>
> >> *From:* missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> >> <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>
> >> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> >> <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>] *On Behalf Of *JOHN
> >> WOLVERTON
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:52 PM
> >> *To:* missoulagov
> >> *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a
> >> low energy future
> >>
> >> Sorry I'm a little late with this.
> >> I want to put out my support for the city council doing what
> it
> >> can to preserve local ag-lands and
> >> encourage local / regional farming and food distribution.
> >>
> >> Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning for a
> >> more walkable/
> >> bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for fossil fuel
> >> austerity whether we like it or not. Communities who prepare for
> >> a sustainable future in that context will be best positioned
> >> for economic stability.
> >> The city should foster economic stability (not growth).
> >> Meaning, we should foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting
> >> multi-national corporations to town; but by nurturing local
> >> investment, local
> >> food production and value added production of things that we need
> >> locally. We should
> >> encourage modest systems which keep money circulating locally as
> >> much as possible.
> >>
> >> Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
> >>
> >> John Wolverton
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection.
> >> Sign up now. <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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> >> Missoula. But posts to this list may be entered into the public
> >> record.
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> >> <http://www.CedarMountainSoftware.com>.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ?Be still, and the world is bound to turn herself inside out to
> entertain
> >> you. Everywhere you look, joyful noise is clanging to drown out quiet
> >> desperation? -- Barbara Kingsolver
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> -----Please delete extra content when replying to messages------
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>
>
> --
> Don Sims
> (406) 529 - 6151
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:52:09 -0700
> From: "Geoff Badenoch" <geoffb at ism.net>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
> To: "'Don Sims'" <donpsims at gmail.com>, "'Sally Brown'"
> <sallybrown6 at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'missoulagov' <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
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> On one front, there is an interagency working group made up of OPG, Parks
> and Rec., Garden City Harvest and 1000 New Gardens looking at the
> possibility of using unused and underutilized public land, right-of-way,
> and
> parkland for neighborhood and community gardens. There is a lot of staff
> work and neighborhood communication work to do before bringing the issue to
> elected and appointed officials for their policy work, but it is moving
> along.
>
>
>
> Geoff Badenoch
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Don Sims
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:47 AM
> To: Sally Brown
> Cc: missoulagov
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag;and a low energy
> future
>
>
>
> The consensus I have seen is basically people are looking at 2 priorities:
> 1) An emphasis on locally grown food.
> 2) An emphasis on more of a focus around transit oriented developments or
> pedestrian/bike friendly developments in the future.
>
> Would it be possible for city staff to prepare a report on both subjects to
> improve this discussion?
>
> This has been a good discussion - I look forward to hearing more.
>
> Don Sims
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Sally Brown <sallybrown6 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> YES to farmland, local food dependency, and gardens in the Garden City!
> Sally Brown, Montana Sustainable Grower's Union
>
>
>
> Ethel MacDonald wrote:
>
> I too applaud John Wolverton's ideas -- do we WANT to be like Billings?
> (see Bob's report on yesterday's committee meetings & COW comments).
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Tim Skufca <tskufca at kibogroup.com
> <mailto:tskufca at kibogroup.com>> wrote:
>
> Nicely worded, especially the part that down-plays growth and
> stresses local sustainability: "foster local-regional vitality,
> not by inviting multi-national corporations to town; but by
> nurturing local investment, local food production and value
> added production of things that we need locally." YES!
>
> *From:* missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>
> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>] *On Behalf Of *JOHN
> WOLVERTON
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:52 PM
> *To:* missoulagov
> *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a
> low energy future
>
> Sorry I'm a little late with this.
> I want to put out my support for the city council doing what it
> can to preserve local ag-lands and
> encourage local / regional farming and food distribution.
>
> Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning for a
> more walkable/
> bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for fossil fuel
> austerity whether we like it or not. Communities who prepare for
> a sustainable future in that context will be best positioned
> for economic stability.
> The city should foster economic stability (not growth).
> Meaning, we should foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting
> multi-national corporations to town; but by nurturing local
> investment, local
> food production and value added production of things that we need
> locally. We should
> encourage modest systems which keep money circulating locally as much
> as possible.
>
> Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
>
> John Wolverton
>
>
>
>
> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.
>
> Sign up now. <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Be still, and the world is bound to turn herself inside out to entertain
> you. Everywhere you look, joyful noise is clanging to drown out quiet
> desperation" -- Barbara Kingsolver
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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>
>
> --
> Don Sims
> (406) 529 - 6151
>
> Forget the damned motor car and build the cities for lovers and friends.
> Lewis Mumford
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:53:41 -0700
> From: Ed Childers <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
> To: Bob Jaffe <BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> Cc: "missoulagov at cmslists.com" <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:56:11 -0700
> From: Russ Fletcher <russ at matr.net>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
> To: Don Sims <donpsims at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sally Brown <sallybrown6 at gmail.com>, missoulagov
> <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
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>
> Based on the other responses, I hope that economic development will also
> be a priority.
> It's hard to get much done if there isn't a strong and growing local
> economy to pay the bills....
>
>
>
> Don Sims wrote:
> > The consensus I have seen is basically people are looking at 2
> > priorities:
> > 1) An emphasis on locally grown food.
> > 2) An emphasis on more of a focus around transit oriented developments
> > or pedestrian/bike friendly developments in the future.
> >
> > Would it be possible for city staff to prepare a report on both
> > subjects to improve this discussion?
> >
> > This has been a good discussion - I look forward to hearing more.
> >
> > Don Sims
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Sally Brown <sallybrown6 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sallybrown6 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > YES to farmland, local food dependency, and gardens in the Garden
> > City! Sally Brown, Montana Sustainable Grower's Union
> >
> >
> >
> > Ethel MacDonald wrote:
> >
> > I too applaud John Wolverton's ideas -- do we WANT to be like
> > Billings? (see Bob's report on yesterday's committee meetings
> > & COW comments).
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Tim Skufca
> > <tskufca at kibogroup.com <mailto:tskufca at kibogroup.com>
> > <mailto:tskufca at kibogroup.com <mailto:tskufca at kibogroup.com>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Nicely worded, especially the part that down-plays growth and
> > stresses local sustainability: "foster local-regional
> vitality,
> > not by inviting multi-national corporations to town; but by
> > nurturing local investment, local food production and value
> > added production of things that we need locally." YES!
> >
> > *From:* missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>>
> > [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> > <mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com>>] *On Behalf Of *JOHN
> > WOLVERTON
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:52 PM
> > *To:* missoulagov
> > *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag;
> > and a
> > low energy future
> >
> > Sorry I'm a little late with this.
> > I want to put out my support for the city council
> > doing what it can to preserve local ag-lands and
> > encourage local / regional farming and food distribution.
> >
> > Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning
> > for a
> > more walkable/
> > bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for
> > fossil fuel
> > austerity whether we like it or not. Communities who
> > prepare for
> > a sustainable future in that context will be best positioned
> > for economic stability.
> > The city should foster economic stability (not growth).
> > Meaning, we should foster local-regional vitality, not by
> > inviting
> > multi-national corporations to town; but by nurturing
> > local investment, local
> > food production and value added production of things
> > that we need locally. We should
> > encourage modest systems which keep money circulating
> > locally as much as possible.
> >
> > Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
> >
> > John Wolverton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM
> > protection.
> > Sign up now.
> > <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/>
> >
> >
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> > messages------
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> > <http://www.CedarMountainSoftware.com>.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ?Be still, and the world is bound to turn herself inside out
> > to entertain you. Everywhere you look, joyful noise is
> > clanging to drown out quiet desperation? -- Barbara Kingsolver
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:56:31 -0800
> From: lewis kelley <lewis.kelley at umontana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
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> Please... please don't take us down the road to becoming Billings. We are
> not Billings and I don't think many Missoula residents want our quiet city
> to become another Billings.
>
> Economic development should be a priority, not growth for growth's sake,
> but
> encouraging local entrepreneurs to start businesses and and create a
> vibrant
> local/regional economic infrastructure. We have a lot of underutilized
> talent here in Missoula and we have developed a great nonprofit sector, why
> can't we do the same thing to create a stronger homegrown business
> community?
>
> Bringing in multinationals might bring jobs, but how much of that money
> generated actually stays in the community? Walmart provides a lot of jobs
> but most of the money we Missoulians spend there doesn't stay within the
> community.
>
>
> -Lewis Kelley
>
> Ward 2
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:58:38 EST
> From: Paradigm1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a low
> energy future
> To: russ at matr.net, donpsims at gmail.com
> Cc: sallybrown6 at gmail.com, missoulagov at cmslists.com
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> Thank You Russ... dreams and visions are great, but everything needs to be
> paid for still....
>
>
> In a message dated 2/11/2010 9:56:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> russ at matr.net writes:
>
> Based on the other responses, I hope that economic development will also
> be a priority.
> It's hard to get much done if there isn't a strong and growing local
> economy to pay the bills....
>
>
>
> Don Sims wrote:
> The consensus I have seen is basically people are looking at 2 priorities:
> 1) An emphasis on locally grown food.
> 2) An emphasis on more of a focus around transit oriented developments or
> pedestrian/bike friendly developments in the future.
>
> Would it be possible for city staff to prepare a report on both subjects
> to improve this discussion?
>
> This has been a good discussion - I look forward to hearing more.
>
> Don Sims
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Sally Brown <_sallybrown6 at gmail.com_
> (mailto:sallybrown6 at gmail.com) > wrote:
>
> YES to farmland, local food dependency, and gardens in the Garden City!
> Sally Brown, Montana Sustainable Grower's Union
>
>
>
> Ethel MacDonald wrote:
>
> I too applaud John Wolverton's ideas -- do we WANT to be like Billings?
> (see Bob's report on yesterday's committee meetings & COW comments).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Tim Skufca <_tskufca at kibogroup.com_
> (mailto:tskufca at kibogroup.com) <mailto:_tskufca at kibogroup.com_
> (mailto:tskufca at kibogroup.com) >> wrote:
>
> Nicely worded, especially the part that down-plays growth and
> stresses local sustainability: "foster local-regional vitality,
> not by inviting multi-national corporations to town; but by
> nurturing local investment, local food production and value
> added production of things that we need locally." YES!
>
> *From:* _missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com_
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> (mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com) >] *On Behalf Of *JOHN
> WOLVERTON
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:52 PM
> *To:* missoulagov
> *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Goals for Council - local ag; and a
> low energy future
>
> Sorry I'm a little late with this.
> I want to put out my support for the city council doing what it can to
> preserve local ag-lands and
> encourage local / regional farming and food distribution.
>
> Also I hope the council will continue aggressively planning for a
> more walkable/
> bike-able, transit friendly community. We are headed for fossil fuel
> austerity whether we like it or not. Communities who prepare for
> a sustainable future in that context will be best positioned
> for economic stability.
> The city should foster economic stability (not growth).
> Meaning, we should foster local-regional vitality, not by inviting
> multi-national corporations to town; but by nurturing local investment,
> local
> food production and value added production of things that we need
> locally. We should
> encourage modest systems which keep money circulating locally as much
> as possible.
>
> Thanks to City Council for all your good work.
>
> John Wolverton
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:01:32 -0700
> From: "Jim McGrath" <jmcgrath at missoulahousing.org>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
> To: "Ed Childers" <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>, "Bob Jaffe"
> <BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
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> Come on Ed, you can do better than that!
>
> That lengthy "job description" list for the cops is important for your
> budget review (I agree about your idea of council going through it line
> by line), but it is not necessary to give the citizens a picture of the
> services provided.
>
> How many crimes were committed and how many arrested, ticketed,
> prevented or otherwise policed?
>
> How much was spent chasing speeding cars and how much doing fancy CSI on
> murders?
>
> How many street-miles patrolled?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Ed Childers
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:54 AM
> To: Bob Jaffe
> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Jaffe wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
>
> The last meeting of the day was COW for the goals discussion. Besides
> Ed's best efforts it went really well.
>
> Defied all expectations. Well done City Council.
>
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
>
> Renee was hoping we could get some kind of inventory of city services so
> we could prioritize them and identify possible duplications of service.
> I think this would be a good idea too. I think people will be impressed
> to see the list of services they receive for an average price of
> $60/month/household.
>
> I thought this was a great idea but now I'm not sure it would be helpful
> to pull that information out of the budget, since it's voluminous and
> readily available.
>
> For instance, as an example, here's the goals and objectives of the
> Detective Division of the Police Dept., which is in the General Fund
> <http://www.ci.missoula.mt.us/index.aspx?NID=923> . (Police also has
> Administration and Uniform Patrol divisions.
> The Police Dept. budget runs about 11 million dollars a year.
>
> Detective Division
> The Detective Captain oversees criminal investigative personnel in
> General Investigations, Drug
> Enforcement and Evidence and ID Unit.
>
> * Screen and assign cases for follow-up investigation.
> * Pursue justice on behalf of victims of crimes against
> persons and crimes against property.
> * Refer cases to the City, County and U.S. Attorneys for
> prosecution.
> * Maintain an offender based investigative program including
> domestic violence, sexual offenders and violent offenders.
> * Focus resources on youth violence and the Youth Justice
> system.
> * Participate in community based partnerships to address
> problems, control criminals and help victims.
> * Disrupt the supply and demand of illicit drugs through
> enforcement and education of the community.
> * Work cooperatively with partner agencies in the
> investigation and enforcement of illegal narcotics laws.
> * Assist other divisions with developing responses to
> emerging crime trends.
> * Develop technology resources and cyber crimes
> investigations abilities.
> * Collect, maintain or dispose of evidence and property
> according to accepted protocols.
> * Process crime scenes to locate and collect evidentiary
> materials, as requested.
> * Process physical evidence, including: fingerprints, tool
> marks, fibers and trace evidence.
> * Maintain digital image evidence and prepare visual aids
> for court or department presentations.
> * Perform fingerprinting services and submit fingerprint
> cards to state and federal agencies, as required.
> * Perform handwriting analysis and comparisons.
> * Submit items of evidence to Montana State Crime Laboratory
> for detailed examination.
>
>
> What we can do, and may eventually have to do, is go line by line
> through departments' Goals and Objectives (there's a short Program
> Description but I think it's not helpful for this discussion) and decide
> what has to be kept and what has to go. For what it's worth, I don't see
> anything in this list that should be done away with. Oh, and the part
> about maintaining evidence? Our facilities don't lend themselves to
> that. I'm trying to put it nicely.
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for your interest,
>
>
>
> Bob Jaffe
>
> Missoula City Council, Ward Three
>
> 1225 South 2nd West
>
> Missoula, MT 59801
>
> (406) 880-2052
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> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:14:50 -0700
> From: "Jim McGrath" <jmcgrath at missoulahousing.org>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
> To: "Bob Jaffe" <BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us>, <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
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> Bob,
>
>
>
> Here's a bone-head question:
>
> Dick asserts that businesses are the primary source of tax revenue. Is
> that true? How does it break out, really?
>
> Setting aside philosophical arguments that no one would have money if
> their weren't businesses, how does the tax and fee revenues to the city
> split up?
>
> For example, my understanding is that MRL is a big payer, but they may
> pay less proportionatley than residences (I don't know); and if the big
> supporters are MRL, NW energy, Qwest etc., in what way would the city
> "promote" these big corporations? (Certainly not through tax breaks,
> because that would be undermining the goal of increasing revenue.)
>
>
>
>
>
> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jaffe
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:14 PM
> To: missoulagov at cmslists.com
> Subject: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> This morning in conservation we authorized a $38,000 grant from the DNRC
> to implement a GIS based street tree inventory and do some kind of
> ecosystem analysis. The city did an inventory back in 2003 but the data
> has not been maintained. This grant will allow us to get updated
> software and start the process of building the inventory. We also
> discussed the urban forest in general. Currently we only budget enough
> for a pruning cycle of about 45 years. The ideal cycle for the health of
> the trees would be seven years. We talked about activating the tree
> board and ideas for getting citizens more involved in the care of the
> urban forest. We hope to get interns and other students involved in the
> GIS inventory of the trees. There are lots of opportunities in the urban
> forest for citizen science and citizen stewardship.
>
>
>
> In PAZ we finished up the historic preservation ordinance. The document
> was reorganized to move the procedures into the general procedures
> chapter of title 20 but there were no more substantive changes. There
> were a few interesting debates but no successful motions. One of the
> discussions had to do with expanding the scope to include properties
> eligible for listing on the register. Currently there are two such
> properties in Missoula. The Moon Randolph homestead owned by the City
> and the Catholic block buildings other than the church. To be eligible
> means that the lengthy process to get listed has been completed but the
> owner hasn't signed the paper.
>
> Jason made the motion to include eligible properties and argued that the
> resource is historic whether the owner wants it to be or not. We don't
> tell owners of property along the river that they have land that
> qualifies as a riparian resource but since they haven't registered it as
> such they don't need to protect it. This pretty well gets to the essence
> of the issue. Do we consider cultural and historic resources to be
> community assets to the degree that they deserve protecting, potentially
> against the will of the owner? We regularly apply this standard for
> environmental resources. All the same the motion failed. I think it was
> me, Jason, Dave, and Pam in favor and everyone else against.
>
> The ordinance will go to our next council meeting and hopefully get
> approved. Next I expect there to be an effort to identify a neighborhood
> that wants to explore establishing a historic district. Until then,
> please no more posts about historic anything. I'm kind of sick of the
> subject.
>
>
>
> In A&F we approved the collective bargaining agreement with the parking
> commission. It is a one year contract with 3.5% increases.
>
>
>
> In Public Works we finished up the revisions to title 12.22 related to
> parking. There were tons of edits but the one we spent the most time on
> had to do with parking in the setbacks. The final language reads like
> this:
>
> A. Parking in within the setbacks per (C) above shall be removed
> when the use adjacent parking spaces are removed from located within
> outside the required building setback is discontinued. A curb cut and
> driveway approach, if existing, shall be removed and the previous
> parking area shall be landscaped. The driveway may be retained if it
> meets all the following conditions:
>
> 1. The driveway shall be a minimum of 20 (20') feet long as measured
> from the property line
>
> 2. The driveway and apron must be paved
>
> 3. The maximum width of the driveway within the setback cannot
> exceed 20 (20') feet
>
>
>
> We also talked about sewers in Linda Vista. It's hard to describe this
> without the map but a deal had been worked out for the sewer line to run
> down into that open land northwest of Linda Vista Blvd. It would go to a
> lift station and then be pumped up to the area of the new roundabout.
> Instead, a deal was worked with Lloyd Twite to put the lift station in
> the parking lot of the golf course. The net savings to the city to build
> it this way is about $130,000. We also learned that the bids for the
> roundabout came in substantially below estimates and the project would
> for sure be built this summer.
>
>
>
> The last meeting of the day was COW for the goals discussion. Besides
> Ed's best efforts it went really well. Nothing actionable was
> accomplished but it was good to hear people just talk about what was
> important to them. I was most interested to hear from the conservative
> corner as I already know what the folks on the left have to say. Renee
> was hoping we could get some kind of inventory of city services so we
> could prioritize them and identify possible duplications of service. I
> think this would be a good idea too. I think people will be impressed to
> see the list of services they receive for an average price of
> $60/month/household.
>
>
>
> Jon's highest priority goal is to keep small homes on small lots and
> multifamily housing out of the Lewis and Clark neighborhood. His other
> goal was to see more people elected to city council who can think for
> themselves. I'm not sure why he found it necessary to lob an attack like
> that since he appeared to be enjoying the conversation and stated as
> much. No one opted to take the bait and challenge him on the attack.
> Sometimes you just have to shake your head and move on even if it is bad
> for your heart.
>
>
>
> Dick talked about how we appear to misunderstand the conservatives
> sometimes during the budget discussions. They aren't just about cutting
> everything. They want to see many of the same projects and programs we
> do move forward. But they think the funding for these things should come
> from clamping down on waste in other areas. He also talked about the
> businesses being the primary source of tax revenue and how we need to do
> more to promote them. At the end Lyn criticized Pam's suggestions that
> we look at things holistically and focus on the big picture. Lyn thinks
> we should be more pragmatic and just hope to survive. She said we need
> more high paying jobs and the city needs to be more business friendly.
> As an example of how anti-business we are she offered a rumor that a
> Texas firm wanted to come to Missoula and create 200 jobs paying
> $12/hour. But they were told by the city that we didn't want them. She
> didn't offer any additional details to the rumor and so far I haven't
> found anyone who knows what she is talking about. She pointed out that
> Billings is #1 on the list of business friendly cities the mayor was
> bragging about us being number ten on. We should look at Billings to
> see what regulations they don't have that make them so much better for
> business.
>
>
>
> The other day, Jon Wilkins got applause from the crowd of builders when
> he chastised Roger for comparing Missoula to other cities. Apparently we
> are only supposed to learn from the experience of other cities when it
> serves one's argument. But I do think Jon had a point. You can only go
> so far comparing us to other cities. We are not Billings (thank God). To
> name a few things we have a different industry base, different location,
> and we are a different size. In the end we will need to find solutions
> that are right for Missoula.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your interest,
>
>
>
> Bob Jaffe
>
> Missoula City Council, Ward Three
>
> 1225 South 2nd West
>
> Missoula, MT 59801
>
> (406) 880-2052
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:25:34 -0700
> From: Ed Childers <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
> To: Jim McGrath <jmcgrath at missoulahousing.org>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:30:01 -0700
> From: "Jim McGrath" <jmcgrath at missoulahousing.org>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
> To: "Ed Childers" <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>
> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
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> The performance measures. That might be a starting point. I always
> thought they were much better discussion points than the line-by-line
> list.
>
> How are they doing on "controlling fear" by the way? J
>
>
>
> From: Ed Childers [mailto:echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us]
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:26 AM
> To: Jim McGrath
> Cc: Bob Jaffe; missoulagov at cmslists.com
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
>
>
>
> Jim, there are some numbers for you at the end of the police's file.
> You may wonder why the patrolled area has decreased.
> I may wonder as well.
>
> I disagree that the goals and objectives are unnecessary to give a
> picture of what we do.
>
> ---ed
>
> Ed Childers
>
>
>
> Jim McGrath wrote:
>
> Come on Ed, you can do better than that!
>
> That lengthy "job description" list for the cops is important for your
> budget review (I agree about your idea of council going through it line
> by line), but it is not necessary to give the citizens a picture of the
> services provided.
>
> How many crimes were committed and how many arrested, ticketed,
> prevented or otherwise policed?
>
> How much was spent chasing speeding cars and how much doing fancy CSI on
> murders?
>
> How many street-miles patrolled?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Ed Childers
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:54 AM
> To: Bob Jaffe
> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Jaffe wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The last meeting of the day was COW for the goals discussion. Besides
> Ed's best efforts it went really well.
>
> Defied all expectations. Well done City Council.
>
>
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Renee was hoping we could get some kind of inventory of city services so
> we could prioritize them and identify possible duplications of service.
> I think this would be a good idea too. I think people will be impressed
> to see the list of services they receive for an average price of
> $60/month/household.
>
> I thought this was a great idea but now I'm not sure it would be helpful
> to pull that information out of the budget, since it's voluminous and
> readily available.
>
> For instance, as an example, here's the goals and objectives of the
> Detective Division of the Police Dept., which is in the General Fund
> <http://www.ci.missoula.mt.us/index.aspx?NID=923> . (Police also has
> Administration and Uniform Patrol divisions.
> The Police Dept. budget runs about 11 million dollars a year.
>
> Detective Division
> The Detective Captain oversees criminal investigative personnel in
> General Investigations, Drug
> Enforcement and Evidence and ID Unit.
>
> * Screen and assign cases for follow-up investigation.
> * Pursue justice on behalf of victims of crimes against
> persons and crimes against property.
> * Refer cases to the City, County and U.S. Attorneys for
> prosecution.
> * Maintain an offender based investigative program including
> domestic violence, sexual offenders and violent offenders.
> * Focus resources on youth violence and the Youth Justice
> system.
> * Participate in community based partnerships to address
> problems, control criminals and help victims.
> * Disrupt the supply and demand of illicit drugs through
> enforcement and education of the community.
> * Work cooperatively with partner agencies in the
> investigation and enforcement of illegal narcotics laws.
> * Assist other divisions with developing responses to
> emerging crime trends.
> * Develop technology resources and cyber crimes
> investigations abilities.
> * Collect, maintain or dispose of evidence and property
> according to accepted protocols.
> * Process crime scenes to locate and collect evidentiary
> materials, as requested.
> * Process physical evidence, including: fingerprints, tool
> marks, fibers and trace evidence.
> * Maintain digital image evidence and prepare visual aids
> for court or department presentations.
> * Perform fingerprinting services and submit fingerprint
> cards to state and federal agencies, as required.
> * Perform handwriting analysis and comparisons.
> * Submit items of evidence to Montana State Crime Laboratory
> for detailed examination.
>
>
> What we can do, and may eventually have to do, is go line by line
> through departments' Goals and Objectives (there's a short Program
> Description but I think it's not helpful for this discussion) and decide
> what has to be kept and what has to go. For what it's worth, I don't see
> anything in this list that should be done away with. Oh, and the part
> about maintaining evidence? Our facilities don't lend themselves to
> that. I'm trying to put it nicely.
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for your interest,
>
>
>
> Bob Jaffe
>
> Missoula City Council, Ward Three
>
> 1225 South 2nd West
>
> Missoula, MT 59801
>
> (406) 880-2052
>
>
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> From: Janet Donahue <janetdonahue at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 2-10-10
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> Several years ago the departments had identified, through the budget
> process and strategic planning, which services each department provided that
> were mandated and which were not mandated. If you can find that work and
> update with new mandates it would save you a lot of time. That way you are
> only looking at services that are not mandated and the council can then
> prioritize services within that non-mandated grouping. Just a thought.
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> Janet
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