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one or
two floors of retail or office space since there is no circulation of
automobile drivers to deal with. Architecturally there is a lot more
flexibility because there are no ventilation issues to deal with and the =
maintenance
of the system is more straight forward.&nbsp; There are several other =
positive
factors that deserve consideration&#8212;many more than I can list =
here.&nbsp;
As for initial cost, it is comparable on a purely per space =
basis&#8212;maybe a
little more.&nbsp; Once other considerations are factored in, I believe =
it
actually ends up being a better deal than conventional concrete =
structures.

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For myself, I am with =
Jordan.&nbsp; I am =
going to be
riding my bike and Mountain Line to get around as much as I can. I =
understand
that solution does not work for everyone and so long as personal =
vehicles
remain the preferred and affordable means for people to go to and from
Downtown, it is necessary to accommodate vehicles.&nbsp; That =
doesn&#8217;t
mean we have to use a value system that demands warehousing of vehicles =
become
the defining and dominating feature of Downtown.&nbsp; The Missoula =
Parking
Commission is smarter than that and will not be rushed into building =
anything
without mindfully investigating its options and considering views =
offered by
citizens.

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Jordan Hess
[mailto:wjordanhess at gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday,
 December 16, 2009</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
pnooney at earthlink.net<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Geoff Badenoch; Sally =
Brown;
Brent Campbell; missoulagov at cmslists.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[MissoulaGov] Parking
Kiosks</span></font></p>

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Patrick, 
 
I meant to send this last week, but it is still pertinent: 
 
Building new parking structures is far more expensive than providing =
premier
transit. At $50,000+ per space, parking structures are an extremely =
expensive
way to get people downtown. It is absurd to imply that Missoula can't =
have a
good transit system because we are not a large city full of wealthy =
people.
There are solutions for our size of community. 
 
I'm going to use the University as an example, because I am more =
familiar with
it than with downtown in terms of parking and transportation, but the =
two
function similarly in these regards. On campus, ASUM spends about $0.65 =
per
ride provided on the Park and Ride. While this may seem like a lot, in =
order to
provide parking for the same amount of money, a parking space would have =
to
turn over more than 5 times a day, 365 days a year for 40 years (a =
rather
generous lifespan for a parking garage). This doesn't take into account =
the
cost of maintaining the garage (about $1,000 per space per year). 
 
Consider this: paying for one person to NOT use a parking space is the =
exact
same thing as building one new parking space. If by providing better bus
service, I opt not to use an on-campus parking space, it is functionally
identical to the university building one additional parking space, but =
the
difference is that it cost the university a fraction of the cost. 
 
We need to use this model downtown. Do not build any additional parking.
Instead, spend this money on increasing transit into downtown. This WILL =
free
up parking used by people who find the current level of transit service =
to be
inconvenient. This newly available parking can be used by folks who =
cannot or
simply choose not to ride transit. 
 
Best regards, 
Jordan Hess

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Patrick =
Nooney &lt;<a
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The reality is that, as long as there have =
been
&quot;vehicles&quot;, there has never 
been enough parking downtown, for residents, employees, business owners =
and 
customers. &nbsp;The University has the same problem. &nbsp;And the two =
share
the same 
fantasies, that we don't need parking structures (that force people =
to, 
horror of horrors, walk) or we don't need cars. 
 
We have folks who believe, sincerely, that Portland is nirvana with =
its 
transportation system and &quot;bicycle-friendly&quot; atmosphere. =
&nbsp;A
number of folks 
think that Seattle has a great system. &nbsp;And many will salivate over =
the 
Metro system of Washington DC. &nbsp;Guess what folks? &nbsp;You need a =
couple
or 
three million folks (most of them wealthy) to pay for the darn thing. =
&nbsp;We 
don't. 
 
Yes. It costs a bunch of bucks to build structures. &nbsp;And, whoops, =
you need 
to charge for the privilege. &nbsp;That is the price of population =
growth that
so 
many of us seem to desperately need.

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