[MissoulaGov] Ian Lange's guest column

[Jim McGrath]

Bob,

My sense is that there were hardly any "deals" that would unravel, given that 7 council members started supporting the change and 5 opposing it and they are still aligned that way. You conceded many things but received little.



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From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com on behalf of Bob Jaffe
Sent: Wed 9/23/2009 10:44 PM
To: Paul Sopko; missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Ian Lange's guest column
 
Paul,
I think it is extremely unlikely that the zoning ordinance will play out that way on the floor. My attitude is that I just want to get on with it. There are all sorts of things I would like to have seen play out differently. Plenty of deals unravel on the floor once we start monkeying with them so I would be surprised if anyone who supports the zoning takes a chance of messing with it on the floor. As to your specific question, I'm not sure how I would vote. Even though I still believe that is the way it should be I'm not sure that is how we should get there.  But I also have found that the arguments that happen during the debate can change my mind from where I'm at before the meeting. The subject would deserve more consideration than what can get done on the floor of the council so there would probably be a majority willing to send it back to committee. Then the whole thing would get all tangled up and delayed. I just don't see it happening unless folks are really pissed off about something.

Bob


From: Paul Sopko [mailto:psopko at peoplepc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:13 PM
To: Bob Jaffe; missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Ian Lange's guest column

Bob,

 Mr. Lange's editorial allegations clearly refer to "the city" and "the latest Office of Planning and Grant's plan". I haven't talked to him but I think you're correct in that he hasn't kept up on all the amendments made by PAZ and the Planning Board. His thought's are still valid given the possibility that committee amendments can be undone once the ordinance is brought to the full council. Unlikely but possible. I'd be willing to bet that an amendment will be proposed to allow ADU's in all zones as OPG originally intended. Given that you opposed the amendment by Mr. Wilkins in PAZ<http://www.ci.missoula.mt.us/archives/81/090624paz.pdf> to limit the ADU overlay in non-single family districts, how would you vote on an amendment to reinstate the OPG recommendation to allow ADU's in all zones, including single family zones?

Paul Sopko

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From: Bob Jaffe<mailto:BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us>
To: missoulagov at cmslists.com<mailto:missoulagov at cmslists.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: [MissoulaGov] Ian Lange's guest column

http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/article_1bb9fb0c-a48f-11de-b446-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

I have tried to figure out what Ian is talking about when he says the new zoning code increases density in single family residential neighborhoods. There are only a couple places this could come from:

He may not realize that PAZ acted to prohibit ADU in single family zoned residential neighborhoods. Some citizens had been saying that ADU were a defacto density increase.

Clarifying and bringing consistency to density calculations (min. s.f./d.u. for all zones rather than d.u./acre for some zones, s.f./d.u. for some zones and s.f./bedroom for the rest) resulted in modest increases in density in some districts. For example the new R40 allows a 40,000 sf lot where the old RLD-1 allowed 43,560 sf lots. One would need at least 12 acres of land zoned R40 to get one additional home over what was allowed in RLD-4. This was all debated in detail at Planning Board and PAZ.

For Mr. Lange's situation in the University neighborhood the only substantive changes that I am aware of are:
Buildings in the new R5.4 will be a maximum of one foot shorter than what was permitted before.

If someone has the energy to request a conditional use permit for a bed and breakfast and makes it though the public hearing process, Mr. Lange may see a big old house in his area preserved and enjoyed by a family who has occasional paying guests.

Lot sizes and setbacks in the University neighborhood will not change. The ADU that Mr. Lange owns and rents out will remain a legal nonconforming use. His neighbors will not be allowed to build similar ADU's on their property.

In regards to the City and County needing to work together this is always a good thing but it should be acknowledged that OPG is the planning agency for both the City and the County. The County has a longstanding interlocal agreement with the City on planning, is regularly briefed by staff on City policy proposals, meets regularly with the Mayor and the City Council, etc. At last year's League of Cities and Towns meeting we heard horror stories about how many of the other cities and counties in Montana operate.

The fact is, life is still good in Missoula Montana and the sky is not falling.

Bob Jaffe
Missoula City Council Ward 3
1225 South 2nd West
Missoula, MT 59801
(406) 880-2052

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