[MissoulaGov] Bicycles On the Sidewalk of course...Re: MissoulaGov Digest, Vol 44, Issue 8

[Nancy Wilson]

Why is Stephens so hard to replicate?  Because Stephens was a very wide boulevard type street that needed to be narrowed to try and reduce speed - honestly it is still too wide and speeds are still very high. It looks nice but the maintenance intensive boulevard isn't very functional and certainly not replicable on Phillips.  Measure Stephens from curb to curb.  It is a monster.  The only way to make Phillips a Stephens would be to take out lots of houses, park land and school land. 
Nancy Wilson





From: hdgray at modwest.com
To: jbmarquis at gmail.com; missoulagov at cmslists.com
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:51:14 -0600
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Bicycles On the Sidewalk of course...Re:	MissoulaGov	Digest, Vol 44, Issue 8
















Good Points Jonathan,

 

Can you make a really cool looking sign that would be more than
a traffic symbol?  I am thinking something in line with the Great Harvest
Yep and Nope sign.   It gets the point across but is not boring.

 

I agree with you as well on the Phillips Street vehicle/bike “killers”
that were installed.   What was city engineering thinking (of lack
there of) with the design of the median concrete obstacles.   I am a
big supporter of Bulb-outs for pedestrian safety and have designed and
installed some for developments in town.  The very poorly thought out
versions of bulb outs installed this summer has turned into a spectacular example
of cost over function.  City Engineering should have  looked at what
makes the bulb outs safe for vehicles, bikes and pedestrians more closely
before installing them this summer.  I think Stephens is a great example
of how to design a good multi model traffic system. (The lighting not
included)  I ride my bike down and across it every day in the summer with
my children.   It has adequate room for bikes and cars but still provides
a safe means of crossing for Pedestrians.  City Engineering can pat them
selves on the back for that street.   Why is it so hard to replicate across
town is the issue that is confounding me.

 

Sincerely,

David V. Gray

 		 	   		  
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