[MissoulaGov] [Missoula Gov] Civil Discourse... and myneighborhood.

[Paul Sopko]

Sounds like the behavior we've experienced in the past from homes in our
immediate neighborhood occupied by multiple 18-21 year-olds. Maybe not to
the extent that Dave describes, but the resultant atmosphere is similar.

Paul S.

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From: <hdgray at modwest.com>
To: "JOHN WOLVERTON" <yodelingdog at hotmail.com>
Cc: <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] [Missoula Gov] Civil Discourse... and
myneighborhood.



> Hello Everyone,

>

> I don't know how I missed out on this one.  Mr. Reed lives on my block and

> I am one of the Neighbors affected by him.

>

> Lets see where do I start:

> 1. My children are afraid to use the city sidewalks in front of his home

> because of his behavior.

> 2. Mike has screamed at my children's' baby sitter when she was riding her

> bike home, which has put her on her guard when she passes his home.

> 3. I know of two different owners of the adjacent home that have moved out

> of the neighborhood because of Mikes actions.

> 4. He has rusty nails protruding from boards wired to the top of his front

> yard fence that only face his property because the neighbors push them

> away from the sidewalks.

> 5. He sprays round-up in the boulevard to kill the grass and encourage

> weeds instead.

> 6. He piled garbage in his front yard to specifically upset his closest

> neighbor. You notice it is only on one side.

> 7. I have had to call the police on Mike once or twice since living on the

> block because of his fits of anger and violence at night.  He screams

> profanities at the top of his lungs and beat a car parked on the street

> with enough force to wake my wife and I up with our windows closed 150 to

> 200 feet away.

> 8. Refuse is now finding it way into the street and boulevard in front of

> Mikes home.  Gee I wonder where it came from?

> 9. The political signs attached to his house are now starting to blow

> around the block as they deteriorate in the weather.

> 10. He is known to burn garbage and motor oil in a barrel in his backyard

> and has been confronted by one neighbor affected by it.

> 11. His closest neighbor would have filed assault charges against him for

> beating on his fence late at night outside her window and placing signs on

> her side of his home if she was not a police officer, I am sure.  Since a

> lot of his anger seams to be directed specifically at her.

> 12. He paints profanity on the front and side of his house for all of the

> neighbors to enjoy. Trying to explain to my children why they should not

> read this is a real joy and when they have read it because they see it

> everyday is even more enjoyable.

> 13. He painted similar messages on his home when another neighbor became a

> police officer years ago, so this is an on going problem.

> 14. I am flabbergasted that people are actually saying that his attacks on

> the entire block are being hailed as free speech

> 15. My wife and I have been awakened at night to gun shots over the last

> several years from some unknown location but in his general direction.

>

> The atmosphere on the block is turning into "when" will Mr Reed physically

> attach someone and not just verbally.  His outburst are building.  His

> offensiveness is becoming greater by the week. The city council is

> discussing banning cell phones and the neighbors on 11th are wonder who is

> going to get attached first.  Civil discourse be gone.  I want Mr Reed

> arrest or put into an institution.  I want City government including City

> Council, the police department, city lawyers and every possible department

> to help the neighbors on 11th.  Please help with the problems that exist

> not ones that make Missourians feel good.

>

> HELP US PLEASE

> David V. Gray

> 1731 South 11th West.

>

>

> >

> > All,

> >

> >

> >

> > I hope my comment to Brent Campbell about "civil discourse" is not

> > preceived as some type of association with improprieties on behalf of

> > other organizations and their personnel.

> >

> >

> >

> > Years ago I'd seen the visual evidence and had heard from a neighbor

about

> > the 11th Street concerns, not just through the recent Missoulian

article.

> >

> >

> >

> > My point was to illustrate that certain soured interactions ascend to

the

> > level of needing

> >

> > mediation and interpersonal guidance.  Others, (IMO) such as our common

> > local civic discussions and disagreements in committee meetings etc., do

> > not ascend to such a level of need.

> >

> >

> >

> > Serenity Now!

> >

> > John Wolverton

> >

> >

> >

> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:40:30 -0600

> > Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Thoughts on Civil Discourse... and my

> > neighbors.

> > From: wjordanhess at gmail.com

> > To: yodelingdog at hotmail.com

> > CC: missoulagov at cmslists.com

> >

> >

> > Hi John and all,

> >

> > I agree that the character on 11th street might need some interpersonal

> > skills training, but I think that it was incredibly inappropriate for

city

> > staff to speculate about Mr. Reed publicly in the Missoulian.  Sure, he

> > sounds like a complete nut, but for the chief of police and the city

> > attorney to publicly suggest that Reed has a mental disorder seems to me

> > like a violation of Reed's privacy and an attack on his character of a

> > magnitude not appropriate for an audience of a couple tens of thousands

of

> > readers.

> >

> > It would be okay for Chief Muir to outline past police actions regarding

> > the man in question, but he crosses the line with this: "Part of what's

> > going on here might be mental health issues..."

> >

> > Similarly, it would have been perfectly appropriate for City Atty Nugent

> > to mention the letter sent to Reed and past actions against him, but he

> > too goes too far by saying: "This man really needs some help..."

> >

> > While these types of statements are probably well founded, it shouldn't

be

> > the place of high-level city staff to publicly denounce Reed's

character,

> > turning the local paper into a gossip mill.  Am I off-base, or was this

> > over the line?

> >

> > A little off topic for this list, but certainly pertaining to the state

of

> > our city government.

> >

> > Best,

> > Jordan Hess

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM, JOHN WOLVERTON

<yodelingdog at hotmail.com>

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hey Brent,

> >

> > About:

> > "...Pier Massimo Forni is a peacemaker, not between nations,

> > rather on the fundamental level of individual personal relations. He's

> > not a therapist, psychiatrist, or such. He's a master of the

> > ameliorative skills that are as old as human society and, to him, more

> > productive of social harmony than most people realize.

> > We're talking about manners, courtesy, civility."

> >

> >

> > Sounds like good stuff. Maybe you could convince Mr. Forni to have a

visit

> > with that guy on 11th street who is making my neighbors' lives so

> > miserable.

> >

> > Regards,

> > John Wolverton

> >

> >

> >

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