[MissoulaGov] panhandling ordinance

[Jim McGrath]

Even though I was not homeless nor panhandling (aggressive or
otherwise), I have in the years past been known to take a nap in public
places, such as the Oval or Caras park on a sunny day. As I am older, I
am even more prone to taking naps. I think the prohibition is a bit
broad.
Also, I assume it only applies if you don't use furniture, since street
furniture is allowed by ordinance.

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[mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jaffe
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:08 PM
To: Rod Austin; missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] panhandling ordinance

The solicitation ordinance is less problematic than the interference
ordinance.
I think we need to be careful about what behaviors we outlaw. I'm not
going to support an ordinance that outlaws sleeping in public places. 
There are homeless people in our society. People have to sleep. Therefor
outlawing sleeping in public places is outlawing homelessnes. That's not
going to work.

Bob Jaffe
Missoula City Council Ward 3
1225 South 2nd West
Missoula, MT 59801
(406) 880-2052
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[missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Rod Austin
[raustin at missouladowntownbid.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:06 PM
To: missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] panhandling ordinance

Yikes! That's a bit harsh. Missoula is by far the most caring community
I
know of. In fact, I have stated for many years that is one of the reason
I
live here. We should be very careful about how we classify the homeless.
Many homeless people need and want help and Missoulians are more than
willing to provide that help. A few however are incorrigible and create
many
problems for businesses and homeowners throughout the community. These
problems are a result of many deeper social issues and how we as a
society
deal with them. The solicitation ordinance limits but does not prohibit
folks from that activity and as a community we do provide places for the
homeless that need help to go.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
[mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jaffe
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:37 AM
To: Gary Bakke; Seth McClain; missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] panhandling ordinance

Thanks Gary, that is correct. Seth, this would include the boulevard.
But I think you would be OK since the intent of the ordinance is to keep
those with homes from having to see or achnowledge the homeless.

Bob Jaffe
Missoula City Council Ward 3
1225 South 2nd West
Missoula, MT 59801
(406) 880-2052
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From: Gary Bakke [Gary at missoulachamber.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:09 AM
To: Bob Jaffe; Seth McClain; missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: RE: [MissoulaGov] panhandling ordinance

Bob, the way I read the proposed ordinance, Section 3, 9.34.40 A., on
any street, sidewalk, or other public place with the city limits.  That
expands the area of prohibition to maybe even parks.

Gary Bakke
Missoula Area Chamber of Commerce
Business Advocate
406-543-6623 ext. 31
gary at missoulachamber.com
www.missoulachamber.com

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[mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jaffe
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:58 AM
To: Seth McClain; missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] panhandling ordinance

It would only apply to the right of way, which generally goes to the
outside edge of the sidewalk.


Bob Jaffe
Missoula City Council Ward 3
1225 South 2nd West
Missoula, MT 59801
(406) 880-2052
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[missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Seth McClain
[smcclain at montana.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:16 AM
To: missoulagov at cmslists.com
Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] panhandling ordinance

Would this also make it illegal to sleep or lay down on parts of your
lawn?

Seth McClain
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