[MissoulaGov] Park rebuild project

[dan jensen]

RE: Pineview Park
I would like to dissolve the Pineview Park Development Association since it
no longer serves its original purpose nor does it comply with its own
organizational By-Laws.    None of the Board members was ever elected as
described in the By-Laws.
I want out.   Remove the RSID.    Why not just clean everything up by
retiring this organization and starting fresh and clean.   Write some rules
that can actually be followed.
  One thing is for certain;  this Board has no authority to act in any
wayon behalf of the Association.   Everyone on the Council has known
this for a
long time.
 Whatever occurs regarding the park land now should be handled by a totally
new entity.    Or simply left to the city.

Lastly, I believe other parts of the city do have a greater need of
additional parks that we do.

Dan Jensen




On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Bob Jaffe <BJaffe at ci.missoula.mt.us> wrote:


>  The question about why are we using an SID for this park was discussed

> exhaustively when we approved the SID. The short answer is that it is the

> only way the project will get done in the next ten to twenty years.

> Rebuilding Pineview would have to wait in the queue to reach the top of the

> priority list for a very long time to get paid for from the general fund

> park budget. The neighbors took a more proactive approach and organized an

> SID. But there were many people who did not think it was fair to be assessed

> for the park.

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> Brent has indicated that this will be pooled with other bonds. I'm trying

> to get clarification if that is already taken into account on the budgeted

> numbers.

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> *From:* missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com [mailto:

> missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim McGrath

> *Sent:* Friday, February 06, 2009 7:33 AM

> *To:* Jim McGrath; Jed Taylor; missoulagov at cmslists.com

> *Subject:* Re: [MissoulaGov] Park rebuild project

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> Having said all that, I also wonder if the city couldn't figure out a way

> to reduce the financing cost. I recall when I was first on council, the city

> figured out that they could save a lot by combining many small projects into

> one large bond.

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> One thing about having served on council as a relatively young man is that

> I can be the "old retired councilman" for many years to come. :-)

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com on behalf of Jim McGrath

> Sent: Fri 2/6/2009 7:03 AM

> To: Jed Taylor; missoulagov at cmslists.com

> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Park rebuild project

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> I'm sure others will weigh in on this, because it is a thorny question. In

> fact, curiously philosophical for city council work.

>

> I think all council members grapple with the question (I know I did). What

> is the "fair" way to fund projects like this? I tended to lean toward

> community-wide, in part so that all parts of the community could afford

> infrastructure.

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> The fact is that would result in many fewer projects -- some years none

> because all the resources would go to maintaining existing crumbling

> infrastructure. The sources of community-wide funding are real estate taxes

> and gas tax. Both may be declining. Property taxes are constrained. These

> capital projects are very expensive, too. In the case of parks, you can't

> use gas tax. I pretty much oppose the idea of park districts, but the amount

> of money devoted to park maintenance and development is dismal.

>

> Plus there is history. The city has used the SID tool for many years. I

> know an elderly disabled fellow on the Northside who happened to have a

> corner house and was assessed a gigantic SID for curb and sidewalk. It

> presented a huge hardship and it is still in place. Are you interested in

> giving relief to past property owners who agreed by the petition process to

> have that assessment?

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> Given that we are doing SID's, the financing tool is only an option for the

> property owner. They can pay it or they can finance it themselves I suppose

> or they can take advantage of the city's financing. The amounts and

> timelines are such that the city can't "just pay for" and bank the

> neighbors. (There may be legal problems with that idea, too, I don't know).

>

> I don't have any answers for these questions. I do know all the approaches

> to it have minuses as well as pluses.

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com on behalf of Jed Taylor

> Sent: Thu 2/5/2009 11:47 PM

> To: missoulagov at cmslists.com

> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Park rebuild project

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> Of course, this begs the question as to why the city is using a SID for

> something that belongs to the entire city.  Shouldn't the entire city pitch

> in when something needs built, even though any given project

> disproportionately benefits a certain area?  Isn't that the whole concept

> of

> having a city, as opposed to a collection of neighborhoods where some can

> afford projects others can't?  Will those paying for this park be able to

> keep those who didn't pay for it out?

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