[MissoulaGov] Parking Kiosks
Sally Brown
sallybrown6 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 7 13:48:23 MST 2009
Brent, no offense intended. The "you" in the statement was a universal
"you", not a specific one directed at "you" personally.
I very much care about how the downtown develops, I rarely if ever
respond to this list, and I didn't see anyone from the peanut gallery
offering opinions, so I spoke out loud and clear.
My apology if anyone was offended. I'll drop out.
Sally
Brent Campbell wrote:
> Sally, you are entitled to your strong opinion over such an issue and so
> am I. Such harsh words and personal attacks are uncalled for. Lets
> keep it civil.
>
>
> Brent Campbell, P.E.
> President / CEO
> WGM Group, Inc.
> http://www.wgmgroup.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sally Brown [mailto:sallybrown6 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:19 PM
> To: Brent Campbell
> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Parking Kiosks
>
> I don't like, do not want, will not agree in any manner to parking
> kiosks. They are difficult to use for anyone other than those with
> extra time, correct change, nothing in their hands, no small children in
> tow, or other encumbrances.
>
> I am hoping that we are moving in the direction of free downtown
> parking.
>
> Parking kiosks are a sign that you may have lost your senses.
>
>
> Sally Brown
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> Brent Campbell wrote:
>
>>
>> Reports from Portland indicate a 25 % increase in revenue from the
>> electronic kiosks. This should be confirmed by our parking consultants
>>
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>> and if true, this could be important bonding revenue for the new
>> structures identified in the downtown masterplan.
>>
>> Brent Campbell, P.E.
>> President / CEO
>> WGM Group, Inc.
>> http://www.wgmgroup.com
>>
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>> 1. Re: parking meters (Rod Austin)
>> 2. Re: parking meters (Jim McGrath)
>> 3. Re: parking meters (Rod Austin)
>> 4. Re: Committee Update 12-2-09 (parking meters) (Michael Loftis)
>> 5. Re: parking meters (Ed Childers)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:13:34 -0700
>> From: "Rod Austin" <raustin at missouladowntownbid.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>> To: "'Derek Goldman'" <derekmgold at hotmail.com>,
>> <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>, <srye at montana.com>
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Message-ID: <002701ca774f$d9c1d100$8d457300$@org>
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>> Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking fee? Rod
>>
>>
>>
>> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
>> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Derek Goldman
>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM
>> To: echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us; srye at montana.com
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
>>
>>
>> i wish we had a "like" button...
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>> _____
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>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700
>> From: echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us
>> To: srye at montana.com
>> CC: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
>> I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back wishing
>> our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of electric
>> vehicles.
>>
>> Ed Childers
>>
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>> Stacy Rye wrote:
>>
>> Rod,
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>> It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that kiosks are
>>
>>
>> inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and perhaps a
>>
>>
>> question of if it's not broke . . .
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>> I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking
>> meters/kiosks
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>> are proposed.
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>> Stacy
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>> There are many issues to think through on what actually gets put on
>> the
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>> street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space meters
>> and
>>
>>
>> we
>>
>>
>> will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that with the
>> new
>>
>>
>> streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And frankly I
>> don't
>>
>>
>> think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age I
>> sometimes
>>
>>
>> take change hard but do try to stay open to it.
>>
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>> I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a little
>>
>>
>> surprised) and noted.
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>> Rod
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>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:30:12 -0700
>> From: "Jim McGrath" <jmcgrath at missoulahousing.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>> To: "Rod Austin" <raustin at missouladowntownbid.org>, "Derek Goldman"
>> <derekmgold at hotmail.com>, <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>,
>> <srye at montana.com>
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>> Solar!
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>> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
>> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Rod Austin
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:14 AM
>> To: 'Derek Goldman'; echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us; srye at montana.com
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
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>> Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking fee? Rod
>>
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>> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
>> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Derek Goldman
>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM
>> To: echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us; srye at montana.com
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
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>> i wish we had a "like" button...
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>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700
>> From: echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us
>> To: srye at montana.com
>> CC: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
>> I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back wishing
>> our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of electric
>> vehicles.
>>
>> Ed Childers
>>
>>
>> Stacy Rye wrote:
>>
>> Rod,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that kiosks are
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and perhaps a
>>
>>
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>> question of if it's not broke . . .
>>
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>> I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking
>> meters/kiosks
>>
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>> are proposed.
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>> Stacy
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>> There are many issues to think through on what actually gets put
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>> the
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>> street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space
>>
> meters
>
>> and
>>
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>> we
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>> will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that with
>>
> the
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>> new
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>> streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And
>>
> frankly I
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>> don't
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>> think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age I
>> sometimes
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>> take change hard but do try to stay open to it.
>>
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>> I do have to say that everyone's input is interesting (I am a
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>> surprised) and noted.
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>> Rod
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:41:05 -0700
>> From: "Rod Austin" <raustin at missouladowntownbid.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>> To: "'Jim McGrath'" <jmcgrath at missoulahousing.org>, "'Derek
>> Goldman'"
>> <derekmgold at hotmail.com>, <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>,
>> <srye at montana.com>
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
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>> I'm there!
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>> From: Jim McGrath [mailto:jmcgrath at missoulahousing.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:30 AM
>> To: Rod Austin; Derek Goldman; echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us;
>> srye at montana.com
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: RE: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
>>
>>
>> Solar!
>>
>>
>>
>> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
>> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Rod Austin
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:14 AM
>> To: 'Derek Goldman'; echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us; srye at montana.com
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
>>
>>
>> Who pays the power bill? Or would that come with your parking fee? Rod
>>
>>
>>
>> From: missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com
>> [mailto:missoulagov-bounces at cmslists.com] On Behalf Of Derek Goldman
>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:22 PM
>> To: echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us; srye at montana.com
>> Cc: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
>>
>>
>> i wish we had a "like" button...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:12:42 -0700
>> From: echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us
>> To: srye at montana.com
>> CC: missoulagov at cmslists.com
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>>
>> I predict: in as little as five years we will be looking back wishing
>> our parking meters doubled as plug-ins for our fleet of electric
>> vehicles.
>>
>> Ed Childers
>>
>>
>> Stacy Rye wrote:
>>
>> Rod,
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>>
>>
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>>
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>> It's not the changing of habits that's the issue, it's that kiosks are
>>
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>> inconvenient, and they could be difficult for tourists and perhaps a
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>> question of if it's not broke . . .
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>> I think the council needs to hear about this if new parking
>> meters/kiosks
>>
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>> are proposed.
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>> There are many issues to think through on what actually gets put on
>> the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> street. There are other more modern ways than the multi space meters
>> and
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> we
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> will be exploring all of them. I think the feeling is that with the
>> new
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> streetscape it would be nice to clean it up even more. And frankly I
>> don't
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>>
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>> think it would be that difficult to change habits. At my age I
>> sometimes
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>> take change hard but do try to stay open to it.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:05:40 -0700
>> From: Michael Loftis <mloftis at wgops.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] Committee Update 12-2-09 (parking meters)
>> To: missoulagov at cmslists.com
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>> --On Friday, December 04, 2009 12:22 PM -0700 Rod Austin
>> <raustin at missouladowntownbid.org> wrote:
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>>> We are currently looking a a different metering system on N Higgins.
>>> Electronic gang meters are on our radar and this may be a great place
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>>> try them.
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>> One of my concerns is that a *lot* of the LCD display based
>> multi-space (and single space meters) may not function well during
>> winter around here.
>> I personally would prefer to pay via credit card, or even cell txt or
>> call from the comfort of the vehicle, than change, or cash. As
>> someone mentioned further along in this thread waiting on someone else
>>
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>> in this weather is painful at the least. Also, as many have noted
>> bill changers
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>> can also have a hard time when the temperatures are this low.
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>> I'm sure our folks at the parking commission are considering all of
>> this, after all, they ultimately have to service and maintain all of
>> this kit!
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:12:15 -0700
>> From: Ed Childers <echilders at ci.missoula.mt.us>
>> Subject: Re: [MissoulaGov] parking meters
>> To: Rod Austin <raustin at missouladowntownbid.org>
>> Cc: "missoulagov at cmslists.com" <missoulagov at cmslists.com>
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